Author: Drexel,Michael
Date: 11:59:35 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>games! >>>>>> >>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>> >>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>> >>>>>>Opinions? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>for example). >>>> >>>>OoO please... >>>> >>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>> >>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>> >>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>> >>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>> >>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >>> >>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >> >>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is >>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64. > >A point not everyone is getting, obviously... > >>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5 > >I was going to look that up later, thanks! > >So we can expect in a 10 game match, nothing better than 9 - 1 from Crafty, >based on SSDF results. Interesting... Nonsense! That was not equal hardware. The 43.5-3.5 was Shredder 7.04 1200 Mhz-Crafty 18.12 450 Mhz Furthermore Crafty 19.13 is IMO *at least* 50 points stronger than Crafty 18.12. Michael
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