Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 12:08:59 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 14:59:35, Drexel,Michael wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>>games! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Opinions? >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>>for example). >>>>> >>>>>OoO please... >>>>> >>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>>> >>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>>> >>>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>>> >>>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >>>> >>>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >>> >>>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is >>>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64. >> >>A point not everyone is getting, obviously... >> >>>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5 >> >>I was going to look that up later, thanks! >> >>So we can expect in a 10 game match, nothing better than 9 - 1 from Crafty, >>based on SSDF results. Interesting... > >Nonsense! > >That was not equal hardware. >The 43.5-3.5 was Shredder 7.04 1200 Mhz-Crafty 18.12 450 Mhz > >Furthermore Crafty 19.13 is IMO *at least* 50 points stronger than Crafty 18.12. > >Michael You are totally correct, in my current match Shredder8 vs Crafty 19.13 on equal hardware so far out of every 3 games crafty is winning 1 game, or should I say out of 10 out of 30 games. Jorge
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