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Subject: Re: Opinions? A Crafty experiment...

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 12:12:43 05/24/04

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On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote:

>On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote:
>
>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer.  It has won
>>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000
>>>>>>games!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the
>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will
>>>>>>try to set this up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz
>>>>>>(32-bit)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>10 game match.  120/0.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against
>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF.
>>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on
>>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment
>>>>>for example).
>>>>
>>>>OoO please...
>>>>
>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware
>>>>>_disadvantage_?
>>>>>
>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin'
>>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow...
>>>>
>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one.  How small?
>>>
>>>It is at least 2x disadvantage.
>>>
>>>You did notice that box is a _dual_???
>>>
>>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using...
>>
>>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is
>>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64.
>
>A point not everyone is getting, obviously...
>
>>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5
>
>I was going to look that up later, thanks!


I looked at the ssdf site

http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww042.txt


 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2809
Shredd8 A1200     18-19    DpFrit8 A1200   21.5-19.5  Fritz 8 A1200     22-18
DpJuni8 A1200     28-22    Hiarcs9 A1200   22.5-19.5  Fritz 7 A1200     24-16
CM9000  A1200     24-17    CT 15.0 A1200     30-10    Junior7 A1200   24.5-17.5
Hiarcs8 A1200   29.5-14.5  Ruffia1 A1200     28-14    DSje1.5 A1200   28.5-11.5
CT14 CB K6450     32-13    Junior7 K6450     33-13    Ch.Ti12 K6450     35-7
Junior6 K6450   31.5-8.5   Shred5 K6-450     32-6     Frit532 K6450   32.5-7.5
Hiar732 K6450     31-5     SOS  K6-2 450     43-5     Goliath K6450   39.5-4.5
Fritz532 P200   37.5-4.5   Craf18.12 K62   43.5-3.5



You can see that shredder7.04(A1200) got 43.5-3.5 against Crafty18.12(K6-2 450)

If we assume that
7.04=8 and that A1200 is equal to K6-2 450 and that latest crafty is equal to
Crafty18.12 then it is clear that Vincent is 100% correct.


Uri



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