Author: Uri Blass
Date: 12:12:43 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>games! >>>>>> >>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>> >>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>> >>>>>>Opinions? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>for example). >>>> >>>>OoO please... >>>> >>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>> >>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>> >>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>> >>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>> >>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >>> >>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >> >>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is >>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64. > >A point not everyone is getting, obviously... > >>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5 > >I was going to look that up later, thanks! I looked at the ssdf site http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww042.txt 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2809 Shredd8 A1200 18-19 DpFrit8 A1200 21.5-19.5 Fritz 8 A1200 22-18 DpJuni8 A1200 28-22 Hiarcs9 A1200 22.5-19.5 Fritz 7 A1200 24-16 CM9000 A1200 24-17 CT 15.0 A1200 30-10 Junior7 A1200 24.5-17.5 Hiarcs8 A1200 29.5-14.5 Ruffia1 A1200 28-14 DSje1.5 A1200 28.5-11.5 CT14 CB K6450 32-13 Junior7 K6450 33-13 Ch.Ti12 K6450 35-7 Junior6 K6450 31.5-8.5 Shred5 K6-450 32-6 Frit532 K6450 32.5-7.5 Hiar732 K6450 31-5 SOS K6-2 450 43-5 Goliath K6450 39.5-4.5 Fritz532 P200 37.5-4.5 Craf18.12 K62 43.5-3.5 You can see that shredder7.04(A1200) got 43.5-3.5 against Crafty18.12(K6-2 450) If we assume that 7.04=8 and that A1200 is equal to K6-2 450 and that latest crafty is equal to Crafty18.12 then it is clear that Vincent is 100% correct. Uri
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