Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 12:17:22 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 15:12:43, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>>games! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Opinions? >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>>for example). >>>>> >>>>>OoO please... >>>>> >>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>>> >>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>>> >>>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>>> >>>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >>>> >>>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >>> >>>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is >>>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64. >> >>A point not everyone is getting, obviously... >> >>>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5 >> >>I was going to look that up later, thanks! > > >I looked at the ssdf site > >http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww042.txt > > > 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2809 >Shredd8 A1200 18-19 DpFrit8 A1200 21.5-19.5 Fritz 8 A1200 22-18 >DpJuni8 A1200 28-22 Hiarcs9 A1200 22.5-19.5 Fritz 7 A1200 24-16 >CM9000 A1200 24-17 CT 15.0 A1200 30-10 Junior7 A1200 24.5-17.5 >Hiarcs8 A1200 29.5-14.5 Ruffia1 A1200 28-14 DSje1.5 A1200 28.5-11.5 >CT14 CB K6450 32-13 Junior7 K6450 33-13 Ch.Ti12 K6450 35-7 >Junior6 K6450 31.5-8.5 Shred5 K6-450 32-6 Frit532 K6450 32.5-7.5 >Hiar732 K6450 31-5 SOS K6-2 450 43-5 Goliath K6450 39.5-4.5 >Fritz532 P200 37.5-4.5 Craf18.12 K62 43.5-3.5 > > > >You can see that shredder7.04(A1200) got 43.5-3.5 against Crafty18.12(K6-2 450) > >If we assume that >7.04=8 and that A1200 is equal to K6-2 450 and that latest crafty is equal to >Crafty18.12 then it is clear that Vincent is 100% correct. > > >Uri Nothing like a little sarcasm to start the day. :)
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