Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 12:51:42 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 15:17:22, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 15:12:43, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 14:37:06, Slater Wold wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:38, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>>>games! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Opinions? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>>>for example). >>>>>> >>>>>>OoO please... >>>>>> >>>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>>>> >>>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>>>> >>>>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>>>> >>>>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >>>>> >>>>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >>>> >>>>Comeon you need to be NUMA to run well on a dual opteron in 32 bits. Shredder is >>>>SMP and has not released a 64 bits executable yet for xp64. >>> >>>A point not everyone is getting, obviously... >>> >>>>Equal hardware SSDF shredder8-crafty : 43.5 - 3.5 >>> >>>I was going to look that up later, thanks! >> >> >>I looked at the ssdf site >> >>http://w1.859.telia.com/~u85924109/ssdf/rlwww042.txt >> >> >> 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz, 2809 >>Shredd8 A1200 18-19 DpFrit8 A1200 21.5-19.5 Fritz 8 A1200 22-18 >>DpJuni8 A1200 28-22 Hiarcs9 A1200 22.5-19.5 Fritz 7 A1200 24-16 >>CM9000 A1200 24-17 CT 15.0 A1200 30-10 Junior7 A1200 24.5-17.5 >>Hiarcs8 A1200 29.5-14.5 Ruffia1 A1200 28-14 DSje1.5 A1200 28.5-11.5 >>CT14 CB K6450 32-13 Junior7 K6450 33-13 Ch.Ti12 K6450 35-7 >>Junior6 K6450 31.5-8.5 Shred5 K6-450 32-6 Frit532 K6450 32.5-7.5 >>Hiar732 K6450 31-5 SOS K6-2 450 43-5 Goliath K6450 39.5-4.5 >>Fritz532 P200 37.5-4.5 Craf18.12 K62 43.5-3.5 >> >> >> >>You can see that shredder7.04(A1200) got 43.5-3.5 against Crafty18.12(K6-2 450) >> >>If we assume that >>7.04=8 and that A1200 is equal to K6-2 450 and that latest crafty is equal to >>Crafty18.12 then it is clear that Vincent is 100% correct. >> >> >>Uri > > >Nothing like a little sarcasm to start the day. :) 65 Crafty 18.12/CB 128MB K6-2 450 MHz, 2483 Shr7.04 A1200 3.5-43.5 DpFrit8 A1200 3.5-24.5 DpFrit7 A1200 6-38 Fritz 8 A1200 7.5-37.5 Shred6P A1200 7-36 DpFritz K6450 6.5-33.5 Junior7 K6450 15-31 Fritz 7 K6-2 9-31 Nimzo 8 K6450 14-26 Gandalf5 K6-2 10-20 Hiar732 K6450 1-2 Gan432h K6450 22-24 Fritz532 P200 27.5-18.5 Hiar732 P200X 19-23 Junior5 P200X 5.5-5.5 Shre3 P200MMX 26.5-13.5 No, read the list carefully. It is not a sarcasm. :)))))
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