Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 13:10:11 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 15:44:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >>>himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. >> >> >>I was wondering how long it would take for that information to make it >>onto CCC. Took longer than I thought. :) >> >>-- >>James > > >I agree. Considering how a big proportion of the posters of this Forum loves >gossiping and spreading scandals, I missed that the information had not >generated a big thread with all the garbage involved. You missed a _lot_ of garbage by not watching. Here is just a sample: Game 1: DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and my book is by the way at random DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: internet book + at random ... DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but rook endgame gotta be draw ... DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a4 looks stupid DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but perhaps it enough to win et's see DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: very stupid one DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: allows ra8 now (note for above crafty was white and played a4) ... First game ended in Crafty winning. There were probably 500 kibitzes by Vincent, mostly about random noise such as value of pawn in Hydra, etc... Game 2: The below is apparently rambling about upcoming WCCC... DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder is big favourite DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder 60% chance DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i'm guessing i have 20 ... DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: position looks = to me DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so all my money on diep to win it :) DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: my nps is good now DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: 203k nps at 9 ply DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cool DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so i go win DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: +0.28 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: hyatt denies crafty advanced btw DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: because otherwise cray blitz can't beat it of course :) DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cray blitz from 1994 and before ;) DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: of course losing a queen DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: in diep queen = 11.50 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 5.8 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 3.625 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and that's too little DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i know most commercial programs like shredder DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: have piece = 4.2 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: that won't work DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: for programs without huge mobility term DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: put it at DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 6.0 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 4.0 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen = 12.5 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: pawn 1.000 here Your opponent offers you a draw. Use "draw" to accept. The offer is valid until you make a move. Offer to draw declined. DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: perhaps it's contempt factor of crafty that avoids draw (Crafty thought it was better and declined the draw. It eventually was proven to be the correct decision as it won). DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i have analyzed with world top 10 GM's several occasions DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and they have no way to express what they think from a position DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: they say the biggest crap DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: like DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen+knight is better than queen+bishop DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: such nonsense DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: this is Capablanca actually DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i ask GM DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: who also wrote about it DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: some English GM DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and then he says DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when at 1 wing" a DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him diep - jonny world champs 2003 DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when bishop not too strong" DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "and knight very strong" DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him why diep won it DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but it is good here for white because diep has active queen and safe king position" DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: their rules just suck ass DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: the average computerchess programmer knows 100x more DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: about evaluation DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: than any of those guys DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: simply because they are unable to formualte general rules DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a general rule that works great for example is that a rook is worth more than a knight DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: diep planning to lose now DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: c5???? ... DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: oh dear i don't get my king in h1 At that point I decided to leave. I'd heard enough garbage for one afternoon... So yes, you missed a _lot_. :) I left out his ranting about me not accepting to play a $1000 match...
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