Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 13:15:39 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 16:10:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 15:44:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>>>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >>>>himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. >>> >>> >>>I was wondering how long it would take for that information to make it >>>onto CCC. Took longer than I thought. :) >>> >>>-- >>>James >> >> >>I agree. Considering how a big proportion of the posters of this Forum loves >>gossiping and spreading scandals, I missed that the information had not >>generated a big thread with all the garbage involved. > > >You missed a _lot_ of garbage by not watching. Here is just a sample: > >Game 1: > > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and my book is by the way at random >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: internet book + at random > > >... > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but rook endgame gotta be draw > >... > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a4 looks stupid >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but perhaps it enough to win et's see >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: very stupid one >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: allows ra8 now > >(note for above crafty was white and played a4) > >... > >First game ended in Crafty winning. There were probably 500 kibitzes by >Vincent, mostly about random noise such as value of pawn in Hydra, etc... > >Game 2: > >The below is apparently rambling about upcoming WCCC... > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder is big favourite >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder 60% chance >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i'm guessing i have 20 > >... > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: position looks = to me >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so all my money on diep to win it :) >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: my nps is good now >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: 203k nps at 9 ply >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cool >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so i go win >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: +0.28 > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: hyatt denies crafty advanced btw >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: because otherwise cray blitz can't beat it of course :) >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cray blitz from 1994 and before ;) >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: of course losing a queen >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: in diep queen = 11.50 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 5.8 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 3.625 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and that's too little >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i know most commercial programs like shredder >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: have piece = 4.2 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: that won't work >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: for programs without huge mobility term >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: put it at >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 6.0 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 4.0 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen = 12.5 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: pawn 1.000 here >Your opponent offers you a draw. >Use "draw" to accept. The offer is valid until you make a move. >Offer to draw declined. >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: perhaps it's contempt factor of crafty that avoids draw > >(Crafty thought it was better and declined the draw. It eventually was proven >to be the correct decision as it won). > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i have analyzed with world top 10 GM's several occasions >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and they have no way to express what they think from a >position >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: they say the biggest crap >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: like >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen+knight is better than queen+bishop >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: such nonsense >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: this is Capablanca actually >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i ask GM >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: who also wrote about it >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: some English GM >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and then he says >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when at 1 wing" >a >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him diep - jonny world champs 2003 >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when bishop not too strong" >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "and knight very strong" >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him why diep won it >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but it is good here for white because diep has active >queen and safe king position" >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: their rules just suck ass >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: the average computerchess programmer knows 100x more >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: about evaluation >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: than any of those guys >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: simply because they are unable to formualte general rules >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a general rule that works great for example is that a rook >is worth more than a knight >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: diep planning to lose now >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: c5???? > >... > >DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: oh dear i don't get my king in h1 > > >At that point I decided to leave. I'd heard enough garbage for one afternoon... > >So yes, you missed a _lot_. :) > >I left out his ranting about me not accepting to play a $1000 match... I wonder why DIEP is not made public so we can find out the real @#$%^*()!, by matching it against Crafty 19.13 :-) Jorge
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