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Subject: Re: Opinions? A Crafty experiment...

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 13:16:15 05/24/04

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On May 24, 2004 at 16:04:23, Peter McKenzie wrote:

>On May 24, 2004 at 14:32:27, Mark Young wrote:
>
>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer.  It has won
>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000
>>>games!
>>>
>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the
>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will
>>>try to set this up.
>>>
>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz
>>>(32-bit)
>>>
>>>10 game match.  120/0.
>>>
>>>Opinions?
>>
>>This experiment I am sure has been done many times before. The hardware is not
>>really relevant since crafty has the disadvantage. On equal hardware Shredder
>>scores 70 to 75 percent above Crafty across all time controls I have tested.
>>
>>This is a short match, but a score of 7-3 for Shredder would be the best Crafty
>>could hope for in this match up.
>
>I would say that if Crafty's expected score against Shredder in around 25-30%
>then in a 10 game match there is still a reasonable chance of getting a 50%
>score.  Someone else can probably give the exact probability but I'd guess it is
>at least 10%, in which case it certainly seems worth 'hoping for'.
>
>cheers,
>Peter

We need to know the probability for draw and the probability for a win for white
to calculate.

If we assume that white has 80% chances to win and 20% to draw in case that
white is shredder when it is 100% draw in case that white is Crafty then the
expected result is 7-3 but the probability for 5-5 is 0.2^5 that is very
small(0.032%).

If we assume 70% for shredder 30% for crafty in every game then the probability
for 5-5 is 0.7^5*0.3^5*10!/(5!^2) and it is more than 10%.

Uri



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