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Subject: Re: Opinions? A Crafty experiment...

Author: Anthony Cozzie

Date: 13:24:03 05/24/04

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On May 24, 2004 at 13:38:22, Uri Blass wrote:

>On May 24, 2004 at 13:29:21, Matthew Hull wrote:
>
>>On May 24, 2004 at 13:20:54, Slater Wold wrote:
>>
>>>On May 24, 2004 at 13:19:36, Djordje Vidanovic wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer.  It
>>has won >>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in
>>almost 3,000 >>>>>games!
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the
>>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh,
>>and will >>>>>try to set this up.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron
>>2.2Ghz >>>>>(32-bit)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>10 game match.  120/0.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Opinions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against
>>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest
>>SSDF. >>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those
>>engines on >>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty
>>10x experiment >>>>for example).
>>>>>
>>>>>OoO please...
>>>>>
>>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a
>>hardware >>>>_disadvantage_?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a
>>freakin' >>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow...
>>>>>
>>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one.  How small?
>>>>>
>>>>>Crafty on a 2.2Ghz Opteron in 32-bit gets about 1.5M NPS.  With a 1.89
>>speedup, >>>we get 2.8M nps.  My FX53 (64-bit) will do 2.6M.  It's at a 8% HW
>>disadvantage. >>>
>>>>>8% means nothing in a 120/0 game.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>I don't really think that Shredder vs Crafty would cause too many divergent
>>>>opinions re OoO... I'd rather suggest you invited another engine for a match:
>>>>Diep.  That would probably be closely followed by about one half of this
>>forum >>and the final result would reverberate loudly in the months to come
>>:-). >
>>>Vincent isn't going to let anyone run a current version of Diep against
>>Crafty. >We all know that...
>>
>>
>>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent
>>himself presiding (and pontificating).  DIEP lost them both.
>
>These games are unimportant according to Vincent.
>Vincent claims that the only important game is in WCCC.
>
>Uri

For better or worse, tournaments are what counts.

Zappa has played Crafty 8 times at standard time control.

4 draws; 4 losses.  But it drew at CCT6 and that's what counts, at least until
CCT7 :)

anthony



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