Author: Anthony Cozzie
Date: 13:24:03 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 13:38:22, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 13:29:21, Matthew Hull wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 13:20:54, Slater Wold wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 13:19:36, Djordje Vidanovic wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It >>has won >>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in >>almost 3,000 >>>>>games! >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, >>and will >>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron >>2.2Ghz >>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>Opinions? >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest >>SSDF. >>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those >>engines on >>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty >>10x experiment >>>>for example). >>>>> >>>>>OoO please... >>>>> >>>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a >>hardware >>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>>> >>>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a >>freakin' >>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>>> >>>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty on a 2.2Ghz Opteron in 32-bit gets about 1.5M NPS. With a 1.89 >>speedup, >>>we get 2.8M nps. My FX53 (64-bit) will do 2.6M. It's at a 8% HW >>disadvantage. >>> >>>>>8% means nothing in a 120/0 game. >>>> >>>> >>>>I don't really think that Shredder vs Crafty would cause too many divergent >>>>opinions re OoO... I'd rather suggest you invited another engine for a match: >>>>Diep. That would probably be closely followed by about one half of this >>forum >>and the final result would reverberate loudly in the months to come >>:-). > >>>Vincent isn't going to let anyone run a current version of Diep against >>Crafty. >We all know that... >> >> >>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >>himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. > >These games are unimportant according to Vincent. >Vincent claims that the only important game is in WCCC. > >Uri For better or worse, tournaments are what counts. Zappa has played Crafty 8 times at standard time control. 4 draws; 4 losses. But it drew at CCT6 and that's what counts, at least until CCT7 :) anthony
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