Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 17:37:31 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 16:17:40, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 16:10:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 15:44:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>>>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >>>>>himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. >>>> >>>> >>>>I was wondering how long it would take for that information to make it >>>>onto CCC. Took longer than I thought. :) >>>> >>>>-- >>>>James >>> >>> >>>I agree. Considering how a big proportion of the posters of this Forum loves >>>gossiping and spreading scandals, I missed that the information had not >>>generated a big thread with all the garbage involved. >> >> >>You missed a _lot_ of garbage by not watching. Here is just a sample: >> >>Game 1: >> >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and my book is by the way at random >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: internet book + at random >> >> >>... >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but rook endgame gotta be draw >> >>... >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a4 looks stupid >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but perhaps it enough to win et's see >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: very stupid one >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: allows ra8 now >> >>(note for above crafty was white and played a4) >> >>... >> >>First game ended in Crafty winning. There were probably 500 kibitzes by >>Vincent, mostly about random noise such as value of pawn in Hydra, etc... >> >>Game 2: >> >>The below is apparently rambling about upcoming WCCC... >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder is big favourite >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder 60% chance >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i'm guessing i have 20 >> >>... >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: position looks = to me >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so all my money on diep to win it :) >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: my nps is good now >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: 203k nps at 9 ply >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cool >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so i go win >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: +0.28 >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: hyatt denies crafty advanced btw >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: because otherwise cray blitz can't beat it of course :) >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cray blitz from 1994 and before ;) >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: of course losing a queen >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: in diep queen = 11.50 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 5.8 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 3.625 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and that's too little >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i know most commercial programs like shredder >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: have piece = 4.2 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: that won't work >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: for programs without huge mobility term >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: put it at >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 6.0 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 4.0 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen = 12.5 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: pawn 1.000 here >>Your opponent offers you a draw. >>Use "draw" to accept. The offer is valid until you make a move. >>Offer to draw declined. >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: perhaps it's contempt factor of crafty that avoids draw >> >>(Crafty thought it was better and declined the draw. It eventually was proven >>to be the correct decision as it won). >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i have analyzed with world top 10 GM's several occasions >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and they have no way to express what they think from a >>position >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: they say the biggest crap >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: like >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen+knight is better than queen+bishop >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: such nonsense >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: this is Capablanca actually >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i ask GM >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: who also wrote about it >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: some English GM >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and then he says >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when at 1 wing" >>a >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him diep - jonny world champs 2003 >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when bishop not too strong" >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "and knight very strong" >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him why diep won it >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but it is good here for white because diep has active >>queen and safe king position" >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: their rules just suck ass >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: the average computerchess programmer knows 100x more >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: about evaluation >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: than any of those guys >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: simply because they are unable to formualte general rules >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a general rule that works great for example is that a rook >>is worth more than a knight >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: diep planning to lose now >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: c5???? >> >>... >> >>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: oh dear i don't get my king in h1 >> >> >>At that point I decided to leave. I'd heard enough garbage for one afternoon... >> >>So yes, you missed a _lot_. :) >> >>I left out his ranting about me not accepting to play a $1000 match... > > >Posting this, you are giving me the reason. You save all this chat session and >you post it here. I started saving all the kibitzes/chan 64 tells a few weeks ago. Several people kept telling me about all the nonsense I had missed when Vincent was last on. I didn't really believe it was all _that_ bad until I started looking... > >You belong to the big proportion that I was refering to. This is incredible >coming from your person. No idea what that means. You make statements, you get to stand by them and live with them. I do... > >Well, that is what I should expect. Nothing else. Excellent, when the people >point out the facts for me. You did not have to do it!
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