Author: Slater Wold
Date: 22:03:33 05/24/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 15:08:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 14:12:10, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 14:09:56, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:56:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:29:04, Russell Reagan wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 24, 2004 at 12:06:46, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>In a thread below, there is a post about Blargh, ICCs top computer. It has won >>>>>>60% of its games at standard time controls, and only lost 16% in almost 3,000 >>>>>>games! >>>>>> >>>>>>I am interested to know the OoO (opinion of outcome) of EVERYONE at the >>>>>>following experiment, I will be in contact with the operator of Blargh, and will >>>>>>try to set this up. >>>>>> >>>>>>Crafty 19.13 on an AMD FX53 (64-bit) vs Shredder 8 on a Dual Opteron 2.2Ghz >>>>>>(32-bit) >>>>>> >>>>>>10 game match. 120/0. >>>>>> >>>>>>Opinions? >>>>> >>>>>Crafty on equal hardware probably doesn't stand a realistic chance against >>>>>Shredder. Only Fritz scores at least 45% against Shredder on the latest SSDF. >>>>>Junior and Hiarcs score at least 40%. Crafty would be behind those engines on >>>>>equal hardware by a non-trivial margin (take the Junior-Crafty 10x experiment >>>>>for example). >>>> >>>>OoO please... >>>> >>>>>What is interesting about a Shredder-Crafty match where Crafty is at a hardware >>>>>_disadvantage_? >>>>> >>>>>BTW, that really explains a lot about why he is #1 on ICC. You have a freakin' >>>>>FX53 and you're at a hardware disadvantage! Wow... >>>> >>>>It's a disadvantage, but a small one. How small? >>> >>>It is at least 2x disadvantage. >>> >>>You did notice that box is a _dual_??? >> >>Dual. And 32-bit. >> >>>Shredder has an SMP version which I would assume he is using... >>> >>>>Crafty on a 2.2Ghz Opteron in 32-bit gets about 1.5M NPS. With a 1.89 speedup, >>>>we get 2.8M nps. My FX53 (64-bit) will do 2.6M. It's at a 8% HW disadvantage. >>>> >>>>8% means nothing in a 120/0 game. >>> >>>Where are those numbers coming from? >>> >>> >>>Crafty on a 2.2ghz opteron gets >2M on linux with GCC. With windows it is >>>closer to 2.3M on a single opteron CPU... >> >>My 2.4Ghz FX doesn't get 2.3M 32-bit. Where are you getting these numbers? > >Running in the last CCT the bench command was doing 2M. I posted the numbers >here at some point. My log files for the DTS positions (on my ftp machine in >the smpdata directory) shows that the first DTS position starts at 1.9M nodes >per second. Here are the actual one-cpu runs: THAT IS 64-BIT. SHREDDER IS NOT 64-BIT. YOU CANNOT CLAIM 64-BIT SPEED WHILE USING A 32-BIT PROGRAM. Crafty on my machine WILL be 64-bit. Shredder is NOT 64-bit. Alas, the machines are for the MOST part, equal.
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