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Subject: Re: Crafty question

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 07:05:57 05/25/04

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On May 25, 2004 at 09:45:14, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 25, 2004 at 07:10:47, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>
>>On May 25, 2004 at 06:41:31, paul bedrey wrote:
>>
>>>On May 25, 2004 at 02:07:19, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>
>>>>We are planning to play a long amateur tournament
>>>>time control 90m+30s, ponder=off, using Wb2Uci.exe,
>>>>under Fritz8-GUI (or perhaps Arena-GUI) with
>>>>8 participants under the following conditions:
>>>>
>>>>- own book must be available for each engine
>>>>- access to EGTB possible
>>>>- no commercial version of the engines on the market
>>>>- only versions released for public (no change during tournament)
>>>>
>>>>and are now wondering which are the strongest engines we should/could
>>>>use in this long tournament over 70 rounds whereby two (2) programs may
>>>>not belong to the best ones provided they play a particular interesting
>>>>style. In this respect: we have already reserved a place for Gothmog 0.4.8.
>>>>Considering these conditions we see that no List, no Ktulu, no Ruffian
>>>>can participate. I am awaiting your suggestions for this tournament
>>>>possibly with explanations why engine X should be included.
>>>>Kurt
>>>
>>>Aristarch
>>>SOS
>>>Smarthink
>>>El Chinito
>>>Delfi
>>>Crafty
>>>Yace
>>
>>
>>       Is is not said that there would be a great gap in
>>       playing strength between Crafty using ponder=off
>>       or ponder=on. Since our matches are always played
>>       on single PC's with ponder=off, I fear to hear
>>       complaints like "Crafty with ponder=off is not
>>       a serious match".
>>       Kurt
>
>
>Crafty was designed to play with ponder=on.  That is the only way I test it.
>However, the ponder=off time allocation code _has_ been tweaked from time to
>time as people make suggestions.  It is therefore better than it used to be
>under such a condition, but I doubt it is as well-tested...

I do not think that other programs are better well tested in ponder off
conditions.

I use most of my tests with ponder off but I do not test changing the time
management in ponder off conditions.

I do not think that the programmers of other programs spent a lot of time in
testing changes in the time management in ponder off conditions.

Uri



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