Author: Arturo Ochoa
Date: 10:48:40 05/25/04
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On May 24, 2004 at 20:37:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 16:17:40, Arturo Ochoa wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 16:10:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 15:44:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>> >>>>>>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >>>>>>himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I was wondering how long it would take for that information to make it >>>>>onto CCC. Took longer than I thought. :) >>>>> >>>>>-- >>>>>James >>>> >>>> >>>>I agree. Considering how a big proportion of the posters of this Forum loves >>>>gossiping and spreading scandals, I missed that the information had not >>>>generated a big thread with all the garbage involved. >>> >>> >>>You missed a _lot_ of garbage by not watching. Here is just a sample: >>> >>>Game 1: >>> >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and my book is by the way at random >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: internet book + at random >>> >>> >>>... >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but rook endgame gotta be draw >>> >>>... >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a4 looks stupid >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but perhaps it enough to win et's see >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: very stupid one >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: allows ra8 now >>> >>>(note for above crafty was white and played a4) >>> >>>... >>> >>>First game ended in Crafty winning. There were probably 500 kibitzes by >>>Vincent, mostly about random noise such as value of pawn in Hydra, etc... >>> >>>Game 2: >>> >>>The below is apparently rambling about upcoming WCCC... >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder is big favourite >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder 60% chance >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i'm guessing i have 20 >>> >>>... >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: position looks = to me >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so all my money on diep to win it :) >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: my nps is good now >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: 203k nps at 9 ply >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cool >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so i go win >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: +0.28 >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: hyatt denies crafty advanced btw >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: because otherwise cray blitz can't beat it of course :) >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cray blitz from 1994 and before ;) >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: of course losing a queen >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: in diep queen = 11.50 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 5.8 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 3.625 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and that's too little >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i know most commercial programs like shredder >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: have piece = 4.2 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: that won't work >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: for programs without huge mobility term >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: put it at >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 6.0 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 4.0 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen = 12.5 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: pawn 1.000 here >>>Your opponent offers you a draw. >>>Use "draw" to accept. The offer is valid until you make a move. >>>Offer to draw declined. >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: perhaps it's contempt factor of crafty that avoids draw >>> >>>(Crafty thought it was better and declined the draw. It eventually was proven >>>to be the correct decision as it won). >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i have analyzed with world top 10 GM's several occasions >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and they have no way to express what they think from a >>>position >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: they say the biggest crap >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: like >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen+knight is better than queen+bishop >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: such nonsense >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: this is Capablanca actually >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i ask GM >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: who also wrote about it >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: some English GM >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and then he says >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when at 1 wing" >>>a >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him diep - jonny world champs 2003 >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when bishop not too strong" >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "and knight very strong" >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him why diep won it >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but it is good here for white because diep has active >>>queen and safe king position" >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: their rules just suck ass >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: the average computerchess programmer knows 100x more >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: about evaluation >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: than any of those guys >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: simply because they are unable to formualte general rules >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a general rule that works great for example is that a rook >>>is worth more than a knight >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: diep planning to lose now >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: c5???? >>> >>>... >>> >>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: oh dear i don't get my king in h1 >>> >>> >>>At that point I decided to leave. I'd heard enough garbage for one afternoon... >>> >>>So yes, you missed a _lot_. :) >>> >>>I left out his ranting about me not accepting to play a $1000 match... >> >> >>Posting this, you are giving me the reason. You save all this chat session and >>you post it here. > >I started saving all the kibitzes/chan 64 tells a few weeks ago. Several people >kept telling me about all the nonsense I had missed when Vincent was last on. I >didn't really believe it was all _that_ bad until I started looking... > > I dont know but where I see you personal battle and yuur arguments. I could also write a Bible of nonsenses. So, I dont see your point. What do you mean? >> >>You belong to the big proportion that I was refering to. This is incredible >>coming from your person. > > >No idea what that means. You make statements, you get to stand by them and live >with them. I do... > > Well, that is not my work to explain you, neither I am willing to do it. If your work is to fill the Forum with scandales and gossip, you are in the average group of posters of this Forum. Nothing else. :) > > >> >>Well, that is what I should expect. Nothing else. Excellent, when the people >>point out the facts for me. You did not have to do it!
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