Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 11:11:09 05/25/04
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On May 25, 2004 at 13:48:40, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >On May 24, 2004 at 20:37:31, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On May 24, 2004 at 16:17:40, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >> >>>On May 24, 2004 at 16:10:11, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>> >>>>On May 24, 2004 at 15:44:21, Arturo Ochoa wrote: >>>> >>>>>>>DIEP played two standard games against crafty yesterday on ICC with Vincent >>>>>>>himself presiding (and pontificating). DIEP lost them both. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I was wondering how long it would take for that information to make it >>>>>>onto CCC. Took longer than I thought. :) >>>>>> >>>>>>-- >>>>>>James >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>I agree. Considering how a big proportion of the posters of this Forum loves >>>>>gossiping and spreading scandals, I missed that the information had not >>>>>generated a big thread with all the garbage involved. >>>> >>>> >>>>You missed a _lot_ of garbage by not watching. Here is just a sample: >>>> >>>>Game 1: >>>> >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and my book is by the way at random >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: internet book + at random >>>> >>>> >>>>... >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but rook endgame gotta be draw >>>> >>>>... >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a4 looks stupid >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: but perhaps it enough to win et's see >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: very stupid one >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: allows ra8 now >>>> >>>>(note for above crafty was white and played a4) >>>> >>>>... >>>> >>>>First game ended in Crafty winning. There were probably 500 kibitzes by >>>>Vincent, mostly about random noise such as value of pawn in Hydra, etc... >>>> >>>>Game 2: >>>> >>>>The below is apparently rambling about upcoming WCCC... >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder is big favourite >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: shredder 60% chance >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i'm guessing i have 20 >>>> >>>>... >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: position looks = to me >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so all my money on diep to win it :) >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: my nps is good now >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: 203k nps at 9 ply >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cool >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: so i go win >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: +0.28 >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: hyatt denies crafty advanced btw >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: because otherwise cray blitz can't beat it of course :) >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: cray blitz from 1994 and before ;) >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: of course losing a queen >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: in diep queen = 11.50 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 5.8 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 3.625 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and that's too little >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i know most commercial programs like shredder >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: have piece = 4.2 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: that won't work >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: for programs without huge mobility term >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: put it at >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: rook = 6.0 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: piece = 4.0 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen = 12.5 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: pawn 1.000 here >>>>Your opponent offers you a draw. >>>>Use "draw" to accept. The offer is valid until you make a move. >>>>Offer to draw declined. >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: perhaps it's contempt factor of crafty that avoids draw >>>> >>>>(Crafty thought it was better and declined the draw. It eventually was proven >>>>to be the correct decision as it won). >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: i have analyzed with world top 10 GM's several occasions >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and they have no way to express what they think from a >>>>position >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: they say the biggest crap >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: like >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: queen+knight is better than queen+bishop >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: such nonsense >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: this is Capablanca actually >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i ask GM >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: who also wrote about it >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: some English GM >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: and then he says >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when at 1 wing" >>>>a >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him diep - jonny world champs 2003 >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but only when bishop not too strong" >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "and knight very strong" >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: then i show him why diep won it >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: "but it is good here for white because diep has active >>>>queen and safe king position" >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: their rules just suck ass >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: the average computerchess programmer knows 100x more >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: about evaluation >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: than any of those guys >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: simply because they are unable to formualte general rules >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: a general rule that works great for example is that a rook >>>>is worth more than a knight >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: diep planning to lose now >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: c5???? >>>> >>>>... >>>> >>>>DIEP(C DM) kibitzes: oh dear i don't get my king in h1 >>>> >>>> >>>>At that point I decided to leave. I'd heard enough garbage for one afternoon... >>>> >>>>So yes, you missed a _lot_. :) >>>> >>>>I left out his ranting about me not accepting to play a $1000 match... >>> >>> >>>Posting this, you are giving me the reason. You save all this chat session and >>>you post it here. >> >>I started saving all the kibitzes/chan 64 tells a few weeks ago. Several people >>kept telling me about all the nonsense I had missed when Vincent was last on. I >>didn't really believe it was all _that_ bad until I started looking... >> >> > >I dont know but where I see you personal battle and yuur arguments. I could also >write a Bible of nonsenses. So, I dont see your point. What do you mean? > > >>> >>>You belong to the big proportion that I was refering to. This is incredible >>>coming from your person. >> >> >>No idea what that means. You make statements, you get to stand by them and live >>with them. I do... >> >> > >Well, that is not my work to explain you, neither I am willing to do it. If your >work is to fill the Forum with scandales and gossip, you are in the average >group of posters of this Forum. Nothing else. :) My "work" is to (a) defend myself against outright lies, which are only produced by Vincent here with regard to me (of course he also attacks others, but I am only talking about me here); (b) prevent such outrageous technically incorrect statements made by him from being taken at face value; (c) tit-for-tat. He likes to quote (or misquote actually) me all the time, I thought I would return the favor, except that I quoted him _exactly_. Not via false versions of what he says... If I am an "average poster" that at least puts me way above him, which is good enough for the present... > > >> >> >>> >>>Well, that is what I should expect. Nothing else. Excellent, when the people >>>point out the facts for me. You did not have to do it!
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