Author: Uri Blass
Date: 04:13:28 05/28/04
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On May 28, 2004 at 06:10:57, Uri Blass wrote: >On May 27, 2004 at 21:46:19, Slater Wold wrote: > >>On May 27, 2004 at 07:44:26, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>>[Event "ICS rated standard match"] >>>>[Site "chessclub.com"] >>>>[Date "2004.05.26"] >>>>[Round "-"] >>>>[White "Blargh"] >>>>[Black "Project"] >>>>[Result "0-1"] >>>>[WhiteElo "2568"] >>>>[BlackElo "2483"] >>>>[TimeControl "7200"] >>>> >>>>1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. d4 exd4 4. Nxd4 Bc5 5. Nxc6 Qf6 6. Qd2 dxc6 7. Nc3 >>>>Be6 8. Na4 Rd8 9. Bd3 Bd4 10. O-O b5 11. c3 bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 a3 >>>>14. Be3 Qf6 15. Rad1 Qxg5 16. Bxg5 f6 17. Be3 axb2 18. Bb1 Rb8 19. Rd2 a5 >>>>20. Ba7 Rb7 21. Bd4 Nh6 22. Bxb2 Nf7 23. Bc3 O-O 24. f4 Nd6 25. Rc1 a4 26. >>>>Bd3 a3 27. e5 fxe5 28. Bxe5 Bd5 29. g3 Re8 30. Kf2 Rbb8 31. h4 Re6 32. Rcc2 >>>>Rb4 33. Re2 Ra4 34. Re3 Ra8 35. Be2 g6 36. Bd3 Rae8 37. g4 R6e7 38. Ree2 >>>>Nf7 39. Bd4 Rxe2+ 40. Bxe2 Re4 41. Be3 Nd6 42. Bc1 Ra4 43. h5 gxh5 44. gxh5 >>>>Ne4+ 45. Ke3 Kf7 46. Bd3 h6 47. Bxe4 Rxe4+ 48. Kd3 Re1 49. Bxa3 Be4+ 50. >>>>Kd2 Rh1 51. Rc5 Rh2+ 52. Kc1 Rxa2 53. Bb2 Bd5 54. Rc3 Ra4 55. Rg3 Rxf4 56. >>>>Rg7+ Ke8 57. Rg6 Kd7 58. Rxh6 Rf1+ 59. Kd2 Rf2+ 60. Kc3 c5 61. Rh7+ Kd6 62. >>>>Rh6+ Kd7 63. Rh7+ Kd6 64. Rh8 Be4 65. Rd8+ Kc6 66. Re8 Rc2+ 67. Kb3 Re2 68. >>>>Re6+ Kd5 69. Re5+ Kd6 70. Rg5 c4+ 71. Ka3 c5 72. Bg7 Kc6 73. Rg1 Re3+ 74. >>>>Kb2 Re2+ 75. Ka3 Re3+ 76. Kb2 Rb3+ 77. Ka2 Rh3 78. Re1 Bf5 79. h6 c3 80. >>>>Kb3 c2+ 81. Kb2 c4 82. Bc3 Rxh6 83. Kc1 Rh3 84. Kb2 Rh7 85. Kc1 Rb7 86. Kd2 >>>>Bd3 87. Rc1 Kb5 88. Ra1 Rd7 89. Ra5+ Kb6 90. Ra1 Be4+ 91. Ke1 Rd3 92. Bd2 >>>>c3 93. Bh6 Kb5 94. Ke2 Kc4 95. Ra4+ Kb3 96. Rxe4 Rd1 97. Re8 c1=Q 98. Bxc1 >>>>Rxc1 99. Rb8+ Kc2 100. Rg8 Rb1 101. Rg7 Kb2 102. Rb7+ Kc1 103. Rc7 Rb2+ >>>>104. Kd3 c2 105. Rc3 Kb1 106. Ke4 c1=Q 107. Rxc1+ Kxc1 108. Kd5 Ra2 109. >>>>Kc5 Rd2 110. Kc4 Kb2 0-1 >>> >>> >>>When Was shredder out of book in the last game? >>> >>> >>>[D]3rk1nr/p1p2ppp/2p1bq2/1p6/N2bP3/3B4/PPPQ1PPP/R1B2RK1 w k b6 0 11 >>> >>>Movei suggests Nc3 >>> >>>After c3 it can see a big advnatage for black. >>> >>>Uri >> >>c3 was book for Shredder. And there is no big advantage for black after it. >> >>White(11): c3 >> time used: 0.43 >> time limit 2:59 (20:59) >> depth time score variation (1) >> 7 0.05 -1.72 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> Qxd3 14. Qxg7 Qd4 >> 7-> 0.06 -1.72 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> Qxd3 14. Qxg7 Qd4 >> 8 0.08 -1.73 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> Qxd3 14. Qxg7 Qd4 15. e5 >> 8-> 0.11 -1.73 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> Qxd3 14. Qxg7 Qd4 15. e5 >> 9 0.19 -1.77 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> a3 14. Rb1 Qxd3 15. Qxg7 Qd4 >> 9-> 0.23 -1.77 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> a3 14. Rb1 Qxd3 15. Qxg7 Qd4 >> 10 0.39 -1.78 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> a3 14. Rb1 Qxd3 15. Qxg7 Qd4 16. e5 >> 10-> 0.53 -1.78 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> a3 14. Rb1 Qxd3 15. Qxg7 Qd4 16. e5 >> 11 1.12 -1.70 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 Be6 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 >> 11-> 1.53 -1.70 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 Be6 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 >> 12 2.62 -1.53 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> a3 14. Be3 Qf6 15. Rad1 axb2 16. Qa5 >> Rd7 17. Qxa7 Kf8 >> 12-> 3.83 -1.53 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Qg5 >> a3 14. Be3 Qf6 15. Rad1 axb2 16. Qa5 >> Rd7 17. Qxa7 Kf8 >> 13 6.48 -1.31 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 Be6 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 17. e5 Qb4 >> 13-> 9.34 -1.31 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 Be6 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 17. e5 Qb4 >> 14 11.69 -1 11. ... bxa4 >> 14 16.31 -0.83 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 Be6 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 17. e5 Qb4 18. Bg5 >> 14-> 27.34 -0.83 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 Be6 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 17. e5 Qb4 18. Bg5 >> 15 36.87 -1 11. ... bxa4 >> 15 48.94 -0.35 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Ne7 15. Qg5 a3 16. Qxg4 >> axb2 17. Bxb2 Qxb2 18. Rad1 O-O 19. >> Qg5 Rfe8 >> 15-> 1:41 -0.35 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Ne7 15. Qg5 a3 16. Qxg4 >> axb2 17. Bxb2 Qxb2 18. Rad1 O-O 19. >> Qg5 Rfe8 >> 16 2:21 -0.32 11. ... bxa4 12. cxd4 Qxd4 13. Rd1 >> Bg4 14. Re1 Qxd3 15. Qg5 h5 16. Qxg7 >> Qd4 17. e5 Qe4 18. Bg5 Qh7 19. Qxh7 >> Rxh7 20. Bxd8 Kxd8 >> time=3:01 cpu=99% mat=0 n=430424046 fh=93% nps=2.38M >> ext-> chk=16330089 cap=1046124 pp=216947 1rep=1407144 mate=160993 >> predicted=10 nodes=430424046 evals=110481009 50move=0 >> endgame tablebase-> probes=0 hits=0 >> >>As a matter of fact, Crafty never got an over -1.00 eval until move 52 (-1.04 @ >>d17). > >I think that we can agree that black is better after the opening inspite of the >fact that we can argue about the question how much better. > >It is not normal for white to get to an inferior position from book. >I did not claim that black is winning after c3 but that black has a clear >advantage. > >Movei gives bigger advantage for black but I will also try to use it for more >time to see(the score went down from 2.57 at depth 10 to 0.77 pawns >at depth 14). > > >Uri Here is analysis by movei Score is still +0.56 for black at depth 16 10 257 710 1421177 b5a4 d3a6 d4e5 d2e3 a4a3 e3c5 g8e7 c5a3 e8g8 f2f4 10 257 800 1608042 b5a4 d3a6 d4e5 d2e3 a4a3 e3c5 g8e7 c5a3 e8g8 f2f4 11 224 1351 2577020 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 f1d1 e6g4 d1e1 d4d3 d2g5 g4e6 g5g7 d3d1 11 224 1628 3152794 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 f1d1 e6g4 d1e1 d4d3 d2g5 g4e6 g5g7 d3d1 12 211 2974 5505973 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 f1d1 e6g4 d1e1 d4d3 d2g5 g4e6 g5g7 d3d4 e4e5 d4d1 12 211 3722 6971944 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 f1d1 e6g4 d1e1 d4d3 d2g5 g4e6 g5g7 d3d4 e4e5 d4d1 13 172 9113 17344839 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 d2g5 h7h6 g5g3 a4a3 c1e3 d4d3 g3g7 a3b2 a1b 1 e6a2 g7h8 a2b1 h8g8 e8e7 13 172 13662 26376382 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 d2g5 h7h6 g5g3 a4a3 c1e3 d4d3 g3g7 a3b2 a1 b1 e6a2 g7h8 a2b1 h8g8 e8e7 14 77 35578 67945439 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 d2g5 a4a3 c1e3 d4f6 a1d1 a3b2 g5c5 e6a2 e3g 5 f6d6 c5c3 d8b8 c3g7 14 77 57427 110552843 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 d2g5 a4a3 c1e3 d4f6 a1d1 a3b2 g5c5 e6a2 e3 g5 f6d6 c5c3 d8b8 c3g7 15 52 118822 216715862 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 d2g5 a4a3 c1e3 d4f6 a1d1 a3b2 g5c5 d8d7 e 4e5 f6d8 c5c6 g8e7 c6b5 15 52 211205 388940589 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 d2g5 a4a3 c1e3 d4f6 a1d1 a3b2 g5c5 d8d7 e 4e5 f6d8 c5c6 g8e7 c6b5 16 56 397645 727231153 b5a4 c3d4 f6d4 f1d1 e6g4 d1e1 d4d3 d2g5 e8f8 g5g4 g8f6 g 4f5 d3e4 f5a5 d8d5 a5c3 e4h4 c3c6 Uri
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