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Subject: Re: Answer to predict the score.. Shredder 8 v Wcrafty19.13 Results onl

Author: Mike Byrne

Date: 14:36:15 05/28/04

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On May 28, 2004 at 17:03:30, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:

>On May 28, 2004 at 17:01:08, Mike Byrne wrote:
>
>>It is reliable ONLY if not used in Chessbsase GUI.  Chessbase GUI stills >sends a new command with every move to uci engines.
>
>There is no "new" command in UCI, so I wonder what you are talking
>about.
>
>--
>GCP


The wb2uci adapter under the CB gui sends the engine a "new" command with every
move.  It's simple to  see:

A.  Use inbetween and you can capture it in inbetween log.

OR

B.  Turn Crafty logging "on" - Crafty will start a new log with every "new"
command received.

I did notice this behavior using the adapter under Arena - but I did not
specifically check for it either.  I just double checked my findings from before
and -- and yes - using the wb2uci adpater under Fritz 8 GUI, crafty will get a
new command with every move.  I can send all 80 generated logs from one game to
prove to you if you wish.

Here's a snippet of the inbetween log with the moves towards the end of a game.
With every move , a "new: command is sent.  This came up when I was testing
random personalities for Crafty for every game.  Under Chessbase GUI, you get a
random personality for every move since my random command was trigger by the new
command.

Although a user can have a lot of fun playing Crafty under Chessbase GUI, it is
SEVERELY handcicapped under Chess base GUI and it anyone trying to run matches
and report them as an indicator of chess strength is simply wasting his and our
time.

inbetween log - note the "tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1
cpus)"

Crafty spits that out upon receiving a "new" command with he xboard options et/

=================================================================

514.141: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
514.203: < move h5
514.219: < Hint: gxh6
514.375: > force
514.375: > new
514.375: > post
514.375: > hard
514.375: > level 27 0:4294966 0
514.375: > force
514.375: > d4
514.375: > Nf6
514.375: > a3
514.375: > d5
514.375: > Nc3
514.375: > Bf5
514.375: > Nf3
514.375: > Nbd7
514.375: > Nh4
514.375: > e6
514.375: > Nxf5
514.375: > exf5
514.375: > e3
514.375: > Bd6
514.375: > Bd3
514.375: > O-O
514.375: > O-O
514.375: > g6
514.375: > Qe1
514.375: > Ng4
514.375: > h3
514.375: > Nh2
514.375: > Qe2
514.375: > Nxf1
514.375: > Qxf1
514.375: > c6
514.375: > f4
514.375: > Qe7
514.375: > Bd2
514.375: > Rfe8
514.375: > Re1
514.375: > Nb6
514.391: > g4
514.391: > fxg4
514.391: > hxg4
514.391: > a5
514.391: > e4
514.391: > Qf6
514.391: > g5
514.391: > Qg7
514.391: > Re2
514.391: > dxe4
514.391: > Nxe4
514.391: > Be7
514.391: > Rh2
514.391: > Qxd4+
514.391: > Kh1
514.391: > Qxb2
514.391: > Qh3
514.391: > Qa1+
514.391: > Kg2
514.391: > h5
514.391: > time 100
514.391: > otim 0
514.391: > go
514.422: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
514.500: < move gxh6
514.516: < Hint: Qxa3
514.891: <  7   -328      37 213459  28. h7+ Kh8 29. Bc3+ f6 30. Bxf6+ Bxf6 31.
Nxf6 Re1 32. Qg3 Qa1 33. Kh3 Rf8
515.485: <  7   -318      97 516284  28. f5 Nd5 29. Qg4 Kh8 30. fxg6 fxg6 31.
Ng3 g5 32. Bxg5 Bxg5 33. Qxg5
515.766: <  7   -243     125 669338  28. Bc3 f5 29. h7+ Kf7 30. h8=N+ Rxh8 31.
Bxh8 fxe4 32. Qh7+ Ke8 33. Bxe4
515.828: <  7   -243     131 704418  28. Bc3 f5 29. h7+ Kf7 30. h8=N+ Rxh8 31.
Bxh8 fxe4 32. Qh7+ Ke8 33. Bxe4
515.875: > .
515.875: < stat01: 136 730528 8 38 39
516.156: <  8   -251     164 897058  28. Bc3 Kh7 29. Bf6 Bxf6 30. Nxf6+ Kh8 31.
Nxe8 Rxe8 32. Qg4 Qe7
516.875: > .
516.875: < stat01: 236 1275528 8 37 39
516.906: > force
516.906: > new
516.922: > post
516.922: > hard
516.922: > force
516.922: > level 0 4 0
516.922: > force
516.922: > d4
516.922: > Nf6
516.922: > a3
516.922: > d5
516.922: > Nc3
516.922: > Bf5
516.922: > Nf3
516.922: > Nbd7
516.922: > Nh4
516.922: > e6
516.922: > Nxf5
516.922: > exf5
516.922: > e3
516.922: > Bd6
516.922: > Bd3
516.922: > O-O
516.922: > O-O
516.922: > g6
516.922: > Qe1
516.922: > Ng4
516.922: > h3
516.922: > Nh2
516.922: > Qe2
516.922: > Nxf1
516.922: > Qxf1
516.922: > c6
516.922: > f4
516.922: > Qe7
516.922: > Bd2
516.922: > Rfe8
516.922: > Re1
516.922: > Nb6
516.922: > g4
516.922: > fxg4
516.922: > hxg4
516.922: > a5
516.922: > e4
516.922: > Qf6
516.922: > g5
516.922: > Qg7
516.922: > Re2
516.922: > dxe4
516.922: > Nxe4
516.922: > Be7
516.922: > Rh2
516.922: > Qxd4+
516.922: > Kh1
516.922: > Qxb2
516.922: > Qh3
516.922: > Qa1+
516.922: > Kg2
516.922: > h5
516.922: > gxh6
516.922: > time 28100
516.922: > otim 21859
516.922: > go
516.969: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
517.031: < move Qxa3
517.063: < Hint: h7+
517.125: > force
517.125: > new
517.125: > post
517.125: > hard
517.125: > level 28 0:01 0
517.125: > force
517.125: > d4
517.125: > Nf6
517.125: > a3
517.125: > d5
517.125: > Nc3
517.125: > Bf5
517.125: > Nf3
517.125: > Nbd7
517.125: > Nh4
517.125: > e6
517.125: > Nxf5
517.125: > exf5
517.125: > e3
517.125: > Bd6
517.125: > Bd3
517.125: > O-O
517.125: > O-O
517.125: > g6
517.125: > Qe1
517.125: > Ng4
517.125: > h3
517.125: > Nh2
517.125: > Qe2
517.125: > Nxf1
517.125: > Qxf1
517.125: > c6
517.125: > f4
517.125: > Qe7
517.125: > Bd2
517.125: > Rfe8
517.125: > Re1
517.125: > Nb6
517.125: > g4
517.125: > fxg4
517.125: > hxg4
517.125: > a5
517.125: > e4
517.125: > Qf6
517.125: > g5
517.125: > Qg7
517.125: > Re2
517.125: > dxe4
517.125: > Nxe4
517.125: > Be7
517.125: > Rh2
517.141: > Qxd4+
517.141: > Kh1
517.141: > Qxb2
517.141: > Qh3
517.141: > Qa1+
517.141: > Kg2
517.141: > h5
517.141: > gxh6
517.141: > Qxa3
517.141: > time 100
517.141: > otim 0
517.141: > go
517.172: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
517.235: < move h7+
517.250: < Hint: Kh8
517.469: <  6   -328      22 120720  29. Bc3+ f6 30. Bxf6+ Bxf6 31. Nxf6 Re1 32.
Qg3 Qa1 33. Kh3 Rf8
517.844: <  7   -344      59 324154  29. Bc3+ f6 30. Bxf6+ Bxf6 31. Nxf6 Re7 32.
Ng8 Nd5 33. Qh6 Rf7 34. Rh4
517.875: > .
517.875: < stat01: 63 338809 7 37 39
518.094: <  7   -344      84 459753  29. Bc3+ f6 30. Bxf6+ Bxf6 31. Nxf6 Re7 32.
Ng8 Nd5 33. Qh6 Rf7 34. Rh4
518.875: > .
518.875: < stat01: 163 933116 8 38 39
519.141: <  8   -343     189 1090892  29. Bc3+ f6 30. Bxf6+ Bxf6 31. Nxf6 Re1
32. Qg3 Qa1 33. Qf2 Re7 34. Ng8 Rxh7 <HT>
519.875: > .
519.875: < stat01: 263 1491338 8 37 39
520.875: > .
520.875: < stat01: 363 2094768 8 37 39
521.219: <  8   -320     397 2307217  29. f5 Nd5 30. fxg6 fxg6 31. Qh6 Bb4 32.
Ng5 Rf8 33. Bxb4 Qxb4 34. Bxg6
521.641: <  8   -320     439 2569349  29. f5 Nd5 30. fxg6 fxg6 31. Qh6 Bb4 32.
Ng5 Rf8 33. Bxb4 Qxb4 34. Bxg6
521.875: > .
521.875: < stat01: 463 2707213 9 38 39
522.875: > .
522.875: < stat01: 563 3269528 9 38 39
523.875: > .
523.875: < stat01: 663 3833195 9 38 39
523.922: <  9   -332     666 3859673  29. f5 Nd5 30. fxg6 fxg6 31. Qd7 Bb4 32.
Bg5 Rf8 33. Rh6 Be7 34. Qxb7 Bxg5 35. Nxg5
524.875: > .
524.875: < stat01: 763 4494685 9 37 39
525.875: > .
525.875: < stat01: 863 5129922 9 29 39
526.453: <  9   -332     920 5525255  29. f5 Nd5 30. fxg6 fxg6 31. Qd7 Bb4 32.
Bg5 Rf8 33. Rh6 Be7 34. Qxb7 Bxg5 35. Nxg5
526.875: > .
526.875: < stat01: 963 5757871 10 38 39
527.875: > .
527.875: < stat01: 1063 6339129 10 38 39
528.875: > .
528.875: < stat01: 1163 6927291 10 38 39
529.875: > .
529.875: < stat01: 1263 7526820 10 38 39
530.875: > .
530.875: < stat01: 1363 8146441 10 38 39
531.875: > .
531.875: < stat01: 1463 8766035 10 38 39
532.875: > .
532.875: < stat01: 1563 9372437 10 38 39
533.875: > .
533.875: < stat01: 1663 9962182 10 38 39
534.875: > .
534.875: < stat01: 1763 10580183 10 38 39
535.875: > .
535.875: < stat01: 1863 11191212 10 38 39
536.375: < 10   -292    1913 11523078  29. f5!!
536.828: > force
536.828: > new
536.844: > post
536.844: > hard
536.844: > force
536.844: > level 0 3 2
536.844: > force
536.844: > d4
536.844: > Nf6
536.844: > a3
536.844: > d5
536.844: > Nc3
536.844: > Bf5
536.844: > Nf3
536.844: > Nbd7
536.844: > Nh4
536.844: > e6
536.844: > Nxf5
536.844: > exf5
536.844: > e3
536.844: > Bd6
536.844: > Bd3
536.844: > O-O
536.844: > O-O
536.844: > g6
536.844: > Qe1
536.844: > Ng4
536.844: > h3
536.844: > Nh2
536.844: > Qe2
536.844: > Nxf1
536.844: > Qxf1
536.844: > c6
536.844: > f4
536.844: > Qe7
536.844: > Bd2
536.844: > Rfe8
536.844: > Re1
536.844: > Nb6
536.844: > g4
536.844: > fxg4
536.844: > hxg4
536.844: > a5
536.844: > e4
536.844: > Qf6
536.844: > g5
536.844: > Qg7
536.844: > Re2
536.844: > dxe4
536.844: > Nxe4
536.844: > Be7
536.844: > Rh2
536.844: > Qxd4+
536.844: > Kh1
536.860: > Qxb2
536.860: > Qh3
536.860: > Qa1+
536.860: > Kg2
536.860: > h5
536.860: > gxh6
536.860: > Qxa3
536.860: > Bc3
536.860: > time 28300
536.860: > otim 22000
536.860: > go
536.906: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
536.985: < move Kh7
537.016: < Hint: Qe3
537.031: > force
537.031: > new
537.031: > post
537.047: > hard
537.047: > level 29 0:4294966 0
537.047: > force
537.047: > d4
537.047: > Nf6
537.047: > a3
537.047: > d5
537.047: > Nc3
537.047: > Bf5
537.047: > Nf3
537.047: > Nbd7
537.047: > Nh4
537.047: > e6
537.047: > Nxf5
537.047: > exf5
537.047: > e3
537.047: > Bd6
537.047: > Bd3
537.047: > O-O
537.047: > O-O
537.047: > g6
537.047: > Qe1
537.047: > Ng4
537.047: > h3
537.047: > Nh2
537.047: > Qe2
537.047: > Nxf1
537.047: > Qxf1
537.047: > c6
537.047: > f4
537.047: > Qe7
537.047: > Bd2
537.047: > Rfe8
537.047: > Re1
537.047: > Nb6
537.047: > g4
537.047: > fxg4
537.047: > hxg4
537.047: > a5
537.047: > e4
537.047: > Qf6
537.047: > g5
537.047: > Qg7
537.047: > Re2
537.047: > dxe4
537.047: > Nxe4
537.047: > Be7
537.047: > Rh2
537.047: > Qxd4+
537.063: > Kh1
537.063: > Qxb2
537.063: > Qh3
537.063: > Qa1+
537.063: > Kg2
537.063: > h5
537.063: > gxh6
537.063: > Qxa3
537.063: > Bc3
537.063: > Kh7
537.063: > time 100
537.063: > otim 0
537.063: > go
537.078: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
537.141: < move Ng5+
537.172: < Hint: Bxg5
537.453: <  7   -479      28 179072  30. fxg5 Qc5 31. Bd2 Nc4 32. Qd7 Re7 33.
Qxe7 Qxe7 34. Bxc4
537.656: <  7   -479      49 316785  30. fxg5 Qc5 31. Bd2 Nc4 32. Qd7 Re7 33.
Qxe7 Qxe7 34. Bxc4
537.875: > .
537.875: < stat01: 71 448783 8 37 38
537.953: <  8   -479      78 500556  30. fxg5 Qc5 31. Bd2 Nc4 32. Qd7 Re7 33.
Qxe7 Qxe7 34. Bxc4
538.563: <  8   -479     139 908327  30. fxg5 Qc5 31. Bd2 Nc4 32. Qd7 Re7 33.
Qxe7 Qxe7 34. Bxc4
538.875: > .
538.875: < stat01: 171 1099871 9 37 38
539.625: <  9   -506     246 1619335  30. fxg5 Qc5 31. Qg3 Nd5 32. Bd2 Ne3+ 33.
Bxe3 Rxe3 34. Qf4 Qd5+ 35. Kf2 Re5
539.875: > .
539.875: < stat01: 271 1837056 9 36 38
540.875: > .
540.875: < stat01: 371 2562796 9 27 38
541.813: <  9   -506     464 3172859  30. fxg5 Qc5 31. Qg3 Nd5 32. Bd2 Ne3+ 33.
Bxe3 Rxe3 34. Qf4 Qd5+ 35. Kf2 Re5
541.875: > .
541.875: < stat01: 471 3210536 10 37 38
542.656: > force
542.656: > new
542.656: > post
542.656: > hard
542.656: > force
542.656: > level 0 3 2
542.656: > force
542.656: > d4
542.656: > Nf6
542.656: > a3
542.656: > d5
542.656: > Nc3
542.656: > Bf5
542.656: > Nf3
542.656: > Nbd7
542.656: > Nh4
542.656: > e6
542.656: > Nxf5
542.656: > exf5
542.656: > e3
542.656: > Bd6
542.656: > Bd3
542.656: > O-O
542.656: > O-O
542.656: > g6
542.656: > Qe1
542.656: > Ng4
542.656: > h3
542.656: > Nh2
542.656: > Qe2
542.656: > Nxf1
542.656: > Qxf1
542.656: > c6
542.656: > f4
542.656: > Qe7
542.656: > Bd2
542.656: > Rfe8
542.656: > Re1
542.656: > Nb6
542.672: > g4
542.672: > fxg4
542.672: > hxg4
542.672: > a5
542.672: > e4
542.672: > Qf6
542.672: > g5
542.672: > Qg7
542.672: > Re2
542.672: > dxe4
542.672: > Nxe4
542.672: > Be7
542.672: > Rh2
542.672: > Qxd4+
542.672: > Kh1
542.672: > Qxb2
542.672: > Qh3
542.672: > Qa1+
542.672: > Kg2
542.672: > h5
542.672: > gxh6
542.672: > Qxa3
542.672: > Bc3
542.672: > Kh7
542.672: > Bg7
542.672: > time 28500
542.672: > otim 20300
542.672: > go
542.703: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
542.781: < move Qc1
542.813: < Hint: Qg4
542.875: > force
542.875: > new
542.875: > post
542.875: > hard
542.875: > level 30 0:4294966 0
542.875: > force
542.875: > d4
542.875: > Nf6
542.875: > a3
542.875: > d5
542.875: > Nc3
542.875: > Bf5
542.875: > Nf3
542.875: > Nbd7
542.875: > Nh4
542.875: > e6
542.875: > Nxf5
542.875: > exf5
542.875: > e3
542.875: > Bd6
542.875: > Bd3
542.875: > O-O
542.875: > O-O
542.875: > g6
542.875: > Qe1
542.875: > Ng4
542.875: > h3
542.875: > Nh2
542.875: > Qe2
542.875: > Nxf1
542.875: > Qxf1
542.875: > c6
542.875: > f4
542.875: > Qe7
542.875: > Bd2
542.875: > Rfe8
542.875: > Re1
542.875: > Nb6
542.875: > g4
542.875: > fxg4
542.875: > hxg4
542.875: > a5
542.875: > e4
542.875: > Qf6
542.875: > g5
542.875: > Qg7
542.875: > Re2
542.875: > dxe4
542.875: > Nxe4
542.875: > Be7
542.875: > Rh2
542.875: > Qxd4+
542.875: > Kh1
542.875: > Qxb2
542.891: > Qh3
542.891: > Qa1+
542.891: > Kg2
542.891: > h5
542.891: > gxh6
542.891: > Qxa3
542.891: > Bc3
542.891: > Kh7
542.891: > Bg7
542.891: > Qc1
542.891: > time 100
542.891: > otim 0
542.891: > go
542.922: < tellicsnoalias set 1 Crafty v19.13 SE [Standard] (1 cpus)
543.000: < move Qg4
543.031: < Hint: Qe3
543.297: <  5   -134      27 153542  31. f5 Rf8 32. Bd4 Qxd4 33. Ng5+ Bxg5 34.
Qxd4
543.313: <  5   -134      28 154857  31. f5 Rf8 32. Bd4 Qxd4 33. Ng5+ Bxg5 34.
Qxd4
543.406: <  6    -94      38 221490  31. f5!!
543.563: <  6      6      53 316525  31. f5!!
543.703: <  6    206      67 397094  31. f5!!
543.828: <  6    224      80 479181  31. f5 Nd5 32. fxg6+ Kg8 33. gxf7+ Kxf7 34.
Qf5+ Bf6 35. Nxf6 Nf4+ 36. Kh1
543.860: <  6    224      83 510282  31. f5 Nd5 32. fxg6+ Kg8 33. gxf7+ Kxf7 34.
Qf5+ Bf6 35. Nxf6 Nf4+ 36. Kh1
543.875: > .
543.875: < stat01: 85 514265 7 42 43
544.203: <  7    100     116 728738  31. f5 Nd5 32. fxg6+ Kg8 33. gxf7+ Kxf7 34.
Qf5+ Bf6 35. Nd6+ Ke7 36. Nxe8 Rxe8 37. Bxf6+ Nxf6 38. Qxa5
544.328: <  7    100     130 820180  31. f5 Nd5 32. fxg6+ Kg8 33. gxf7+ Kxf7 34.
Qf5+ Bf6 35. Nd6+ Ke7 36. Nxe8 Rxe8 37. Bxf6+ Nxf6 38. Qxa5
544.875: > .
544.875: < stat01: 185 1166650 8 42 43
545.375: <  8    140     235 1485117  31. f5!!
545.875: > .
545.875: < stat01: 285 1806639 8 42 43
546.047: <  8    240     302 1924101  31. f5!!
546.860: <  8    258     383 2499841  31. f5 Nd5 32. fxg6+ Kg8 33. Bb2 Qxh6 34.
gxf7+ Kxf7 35. Nd6+ Bxd6 36. Qf5+ Qf6 37. Rh7+ Kf8 38. Bxf6 Nxf6 39. Qxf6+
546.875: > .
546.875: < stat01: 385 2506468 8 41 43
547.110: <  8    258     408 2689422  31. f5 Nd5 32. fxg6+ Kg8 33. Bb2 Qxh6 34.
gxf7+ Kxf7 35. Nd6+ Bxd6 36. Qf5+ Qf6 37. Rh7+ Kf8 38. Bxf6 Nxf6 39. Qxf6+
547.875: > .
547.875: < stat01: 485 3136117 9 42 43
548.875: > .
548.875: < stat01: 585 3819940 9 42 43
549.235: <  9    298     621 4044247  31. f5!!
549.875: > .
549.875: < stat01: 685 4488189 9 42 43
550.875: > .
550.875: < stat01: 785 5218712 9 42 43
551.875: > .
551.875: < stat01: 885 5895164 9 42 43
552.875: > .
552.875: < stat01: 985 6635195 9 42 43
553.875: > .
553.875: < stat01: 1085 7334400 9 42 43
554.531: <  9    311    1150 7775736  31. f5 Rf8 32. f6 Nd5 33. Ng5+ Qxg5 34.
Qxg5 Bxf6 35. Bxf6 Nxf6 36. Qxf6
554.875: > .
554.875: < stat01: 1185 8057139 9 40 43
555.328: <  9    311    1230 8325344  31. f5 Rf8 32. f6 Nd5 33. Ng5+ Qxg5 34.
Qxg5 Bxf6 35. Bxf6 Nxf6 36. Qxf6
555.875: > .
555.875: < stat01: 1285 8618835 10 42 43
556.875: > .
556.875: < stat01: 1385 9264345 10 42 43
557.875: > .
557.875: < stat01: 1485 9946952 10 42 43
558.875: > .
558.875: < stat01: 1585 10615853 10 42 43
559.875: > .
559.875: < stat01: 1685 11172942 10 42 43
560.875: > .
560.875: < stat01: 1785 11779413 10 42 43
561.875: > .
561.875: < stat01: 1885 12435655 10 42 43
562.875: > .
562.875: < stat01: 1985 13071190 10 42 43
563.875: > .
563.875: < stat01: 2085 13719983 10 42 43
564.735: < 10    351    2171 14280965  31. f5!!
564.875: > .
564.875: < stat01: 2185 14380657 10 42 43
565.875: > .
565.875: < stat01: 2285 14978849 10 42 43
576.110: > quit



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