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Subject: Re: New list WCCC participants and Free Hardware

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 08:18:13 05/29/04

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On May 29, 2004 at 02:32:20, Sandro Necchi wrote:

>On May 28, 2004 at 16:45:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On May 28, 2004 at 15:34:13, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>
>>>On May 28, 2004 at 13:25:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 13:02:56, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 12:44:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 12:29:01, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 10:22:23, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 08:45:35, Mark Winands wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Author                   Program           Country
>>>>>>>>>A. Ban and S. Bushinsky  Junior            Israel
>>>>>>>>>U. Blass                 Movei             Israel
>>>>>>>>>R. Coulom                The Crazy Bishop  France
>>>>>>>>>O. David Tabibi          Falcon            Israel
>>>>>>>>>V. Diepeveen             Diep              Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>G.B.Garcia               FIBChess          Spain
>>>>>>>>>R. Huber                 ParSOS            Germany
>>>>>>>>>R. Hyatt                 Crafty            USA
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I need to start paying better attention I guess.  What the hell is this?!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Oh my..I just got goose bumps.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I guess we know the answer to Vincent's challenge to either "put up or shut
>>>>>>>up"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If Robert got anything like a 4 way or 8 way manhine, I think we might hear
>>>>>>>something like "Crafty has won the WCCC 2004!".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Crafty will run on at least 4 X 2.4ghz opterons.  Perhaps more.  I'll post
>>>>>>details as they are worked out, but the 4-way is set now, as a worst-case...
>>>>>
>>>>>Who is operating Crafty?
>>>>>
>>>>>Should pull around 8M nps out of book.
>>>>
>>>>As a lower bound.  If you check the CCT6 logs, it reached 11-12M many times, and
>>>>in some endings it broke 16M...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The funny thing is, no one ever takes Crafty seriously, but I bet I know at
>>>>>least 2 book-makers who are probably making anti-Crafty books right now.  LOL
>>>>>
>>>>>This is gonna be neat...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>It'll be competitive.  Winning is another matter.  Particularly since I have
>>>>"zero percent chance of winning"...
>>>>
>>>>:)
>>>
>>>I am sorry to state this, but theorically you have chances and pratically you do
>>>not.
>>>Unless your hardware would be at least 10 times faster than Shredder, Junior and
>>>Fritz. In this case you would have some chances even if not many.
>>
>>I'll play your game.  What hardware are you using?
>
>We do not know yet.

That's pretty incredible.  You have no idea what you will be running on, what I
will be running on, and irregardless of whatever hardware advantage I may end up
with, I have no chance?

:)

Sounds like good, sound, logical reasoning to me...


>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>I know many will not like this, including yourself, but this is what I believe
>>>and I am not afraid of saying what I think, like it or not.
>>>
>>>I am not willing to explain why, so people can criticize as much as they want,
>>>but I will not change my mind.
>>>
>>>To win CCT or another tournament is something else as these are not considered
>>>of the same importance by the commercial programs.
>>>
>>>Sandro
>>
>>
>>Correct.  It is always "some other tournament" that is more important.
>
>What I meant is the the real preparation is made for the WCCC. I mean all the
>improvements plans are made to be ready for that tournament, so in other
>tournaments the commercial programs would not be fully ready (fully updated) as
>for the WCCC.
>
>>
>>I try to win whatever ever I play in.
>
>I know. We do too, but...see above...
>
>>
>>If you think I have no chances, so be it.
>
>I have nothing against you. I told you and respect you and your work. I think
>you are a very good programmer. but I think the gap is still quite high...

Hardware can narrow _any_ gap of course...


>
>>
>>I suspect my "reality" is significantly different from yours however.
>
>I guess so, too.
>Mine were "objective considerations" from my knowledge.
>
>>
>>We'll see in a month or two...
>
>Well, OK.
>I hope for you to be wrong.
>
>Sandro

Same here. :)




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