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Subject: Re: New list WCCC participants and Free Hardware

Author: Sandro Necchi

Date: 23:08:40 05/29/04

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On May 29, 2004 at 14:39:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:

>On May 29, 2004 at 11:23:48, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>
>>On May 29, 2004 at 11:18:13, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>
>>>On May 29, 2004 at 02:32:20, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 16:45:57, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 15:34:13, Sandro Necchi wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 13:25:46, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 13:02:56, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 12:44:38, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 12:29:01, Peter Skinner wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 10:22:23, Slater Wold wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 08:45:35, Mark Winands wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Author                   Program           Country
>>>>>>>>>>>>A. Ban and S. Bushinsky  Junior            Israel
>>>>>>>>>>>>U. Blass                 Movei             Israel
>>>>>>>>>>>>R. Coulom                The Crazy Bishop  France
>>>>>>>>>>>>O. David Tabibi          Falcon            Israel
>>>>>>>>>>>>V. Diepeveen             Diep              Netherlands
>>>>>>>>>>>>G.B.Garcia               FIBChess          Spain
>>>>>>>>>>>>R. Huber                 ParSOS            Germany
>>>>>>>>>>>>R. Hyatt                 Crafty            USA
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I need to start paying better attention I guess.  What the hell is this?!
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Oh my..I just got goose bumps.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I guess we know the answer to Vincent's challenge to either "put up or shut
>>>>>>>>>>up"...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If Robert got anything like a 4 way or 8 way manhine, I think we might hear
>>>>>>>>>>something like "Crafty has won the WCCC 2004!".
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Peter
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Crafty will run on at least 4 X 2.4ghz opterons.  Perhaps more.  I'll post
>>>>>>>>>details as they are worked out, but the 4-way is set now, as a worst-case...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Who is operating Crafty?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Should pull around 8M nps out of book.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As a lower bound.  If you check the CCT6 logs, it reached 11-12M many times, and
>>>>>>>in some endings it broke 16M...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The funny thing is, no one ever takes Crafty seriously, but I bet I know at
>>>>>>>>least 2 book-makers who are probably making anti-Crafty books right now.  LOL
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>This is gonna be neat...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>It'll be competitive.  Winning is another matter.  Particularly since I have
>>>>>>>"zero percent chance of winning"...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>:)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am sorry to state this, but theorically you have chances and pratically you do
>>>>>>not.
>>>>>>Unless your hardware would be at least 10 times faster than Shredder, Junior and
>>>>>>Fritz. In this case you would have some chances even if not many.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'll play your game.  What hardware are you using?
>>>>
>>>>We do not know yet.
>>>
>>>That's pretty incredible.
>>
>>Well, not sure yet...
>>
>>>You have no idea what you will be running on, what I
>>>will be running on, and irregardless of whatever hardware advantage I may end up
>>>with, I have no chance?
>>>
>>>:)
>>
>>Well, it will not be 10 times...maybe twice...maybe not hardware advantage at
>>all.
>
>There's a good chance I will be on an 8-way opteron.  If you are on something
>that fast, you'll be very strong too.  If Shredder can deal with the NUMA issues
>on such a box...

I know it. I was referring to that hardware.
We are very strong even on a slower harware...the test we are making speak
themself...never been so strong...

Sandro
>
>
>>
>>>
>>>Sounds like good, sound, logical reasoning to me...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I know many will not like this, including yourself, but this is what I believe
>>>>>>and I am not afraid of saying what I think, like it or not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I am not willing to explain why, so people can criticize as much as they want,
>>>>>>but I will not change my mind.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>To win CCT or another tournament is something else as these are not considered
>>>>>>of the same importance by the commercial programs.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sandro
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Correct.  It is always "some other tournament" that is more important.
>>>>
>>>>What I meant is the the real preparation is made for the WCCC. I mean all the
>>>>improvements plans are made to be ready for that tournament, so in other
>>>>tournaments the commercial programs would not be fully ready (fully updated) as
>>>>for the WCCC.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I try to win whatever ever I play in.
>>>>
>>>>I know. We do too, but...see above...
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>If you think I have no chances, so be it.
>>>>
>>>>I have nothing against you. I told you and respect you and your work. I think
>>>>you are a very good programmer. but I think the gap is still quite high...
>>>
>>>Hardware can narrow _any_ gap of course...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>I suspect my "reality" is significantly different from yours however.
>>>>
>>>>I guess so, too.
>>>>Mine were "objective considerations" from my knowledge.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>We'll see in a month or two...
>>>>
>>>>Well, OK.
>>>>I hope for you to be wrong.
>>>>
>>>>Sandro
>>>
>>>Same here. :)



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