Author: Sandro Necchi
Date: 23:08:40 05/29/04
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On May 29, 2004 at 14:39:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >On May 29, 2004 at 11:23:48, Sandro Necchi wrote: > >>On May 29, 2004 at 11:18:13, Robert Hyatt wrote: >> >>>On May 29, 2004 at 02:32:20, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>> >>>>On May 28, 2004 at 16:45:57, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 15:34:13, Sandro Necchi wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 13:25:46, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 13:02:56, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 12:44:38, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 12:29:01, Peter Skinner wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 10:22:23, Slater Wold wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>On May 28, 2004 at 08:45:35, Mark Winands wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>Author Program Country >>>>>>>>>>>>A. Ban and S. Bushinsky Junior Israel >>>>>>>>>>>>U. Blass Movei Israel >>>>>>>>>>>>R. Coulom The Crazy Bishop France >>>>>>>>>>>>O. David Tabibi Falcon Israel >>>>>>>>>>>>V. Diepeveen Diep Netherlands >>>>>>>>>>>>G.B.Garcia FIBChess Spain >>>>>>>>>>>>R. Huber ParSOS Germany >>>>>>>>>>>>R. Hyatt Crafty USA >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>I need to start paying better attention I guess. What the hell is this?! >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Oh my..I just got goose bumps. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>I guess we know the answer to Vincent's challenge to either "put up or shut >>>>>>>>>>up"... >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>If Robert got anything like a 4 way or 8 way manhine, I think we might hear >>>>>>>>>>something like "Crafty has won the WCCC 2004!". >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>Peter >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>Crafty will run on at least 4 X 2.4ghz opterons. Perhaps more. I'll post >>>>>>>>>details as they are worked out, but the 4-way is set now, as a worst-case... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Who is operating Crafty? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>Should pull around 8M nps out of book. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>As a lower bound. If you check the CCT6 logs, it reached 11-12M many times, and >>>>>>>in some endings it broke 16M... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>The funny thing is, no one ever takes Crafty seriously, but I bet I know at >>>>>>>>least 2 book-makers who are probably making anti-Crafty books right now. LOL >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>This is gonna be neat... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>It'll be competitive. Winning is another matter. Particularly since I have >>>>>>>"zero percent chance of winning"... >>>>>>> >>>>>>>:) >>>>>> >>>>>>I am sorry to state this, but theorically you have chances and pratically you do >>>>>>not. >>>>>>Unless your hardware would be at least 10 times faster than Shredder, Junior and >>>>>>Fritz. In this case you would have some chances even if not many. >>>>> >>>>>I'll play your game. What hardware are you using? >>>> >>>>We do not know yet. >>> >>>That's pretty incredible. >> >>Well, not sure yet... >> >>>You have no idea what you will be running on, what I >>>will be running on, and irregardless of whatever hardware advantage I may end up >>>with, I have no chance? >>> >>>:) >> >>Well, it will not be 10 times...maybe twice...maybe not hardware advantage at >>all. > >There's a good chance I will be on an 8-way opteron. If you are on something >that fast, you'll be very strong too. If Shredder can deal with the NUMA issues >on such a box... I know it. I was referring to that hardware. We are very strong even on a slower harware...the test we are making speak themself...never been so strong... Sandro > > >> >>> >>>Sounds like good, sound, logical reasoning to me... >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>I know many will not like this, including yourself, but this is what I believe >>>>>>and I am not afraid of saying what I think, like it or not. >>>>>> >>>>>>I am not willing to explain why, so people can criticize as much as they want, >>>>>>but I will not change my mind. >>>>>> >>>>>>To win CCT or another tournament is something else as these are not considered >>>>>>of the same importance by the commercial programs. >>>>>> >>>>>>Sandro >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Correct. It is always "some other tournament" that is more important. >>>> >>>>What I meant is the the real preparation is made for the WCCC. I mean all the >>>>improvements plans are made to be ready for that tournament, so in other >>>>tournaments the commercial programs would not be fully ready (fully updated) as >>>>for the WCCC. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I try to win whatever ever I play in. >>>> >>>>I know. We do too, but...see above... >>>> >>>>> >>>>>If you think I have no chances, so be it. >>>> >>>>I have nothing against you. I told you and respect you and your work. I think >>>>you are a very good programmer. but I think the gap is still quite high... >>> >>>Hardware can narrow _any_ gap of course... >>> >>> >>>> >>>>> >>>>>I suspect my "reality" is significantly different from yours however. >>>> >>>>I guess so, too. >>>>Mine were "objective considerations" from my knowledge. >>>> >>>>> >>>>>We'll see in a month or two... >>>> >>>>Well, OK. >>>>I hope for you to be wrong. >>>> >>>>Sandro >>> >>>Same here. :)
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