Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 02:17:59 05/31/04
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On May 30, 2004 at 21:52:48, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>Actually it does hurt. Many "operators" interfere in games by manually forcing >>>moves, forcing the program to take longer, etc. Seeing the opponent's analysis >>>can be used to further refine this "assistance"... >> >>Somehow I doubt it :) > >Doubt all you want. I've been playing on ICC for almost 10 years now. This is >a _common_ problem, and many operators brag about it. One had finger notes that >said "If you don't use your "move-now" button, you are not getting all you can >get out of your chess program when playing other computers here." Yes, everybody is an expert on how to improve the already supertuned programs, haven't you noticed? :) >>I just can't picture one of these teenagers using Shredder against Crafty should >>really care that much about Crafty's PVs, no offence. > >The number of teenagers is _low_. ICC isn't free. It is the 30-50 year olds >that want to "get involved" and force moves, etc. Wow, so 30 year old 2000 Elo players cheat on ICC? I really hope there aren't too many of those, what a waste of their time. >>If this 1200 Elo youngster really believes he can improve his rating by >>overruling Shredder in the attempt to outsmart Crafty, then by all means I'd let >>him try! ;) >> > >Forget the 1200 Elo youngsters. Think about the 1700-2000 rated humans. > >If you don't believe me, just ask around for those that play on ICC a lot. >Bruce Moreland is a good person to query but there are lots of others... > Of course it happens, the question is if it works as well as they think. To study Crafty's output, and then overrule Shredder based on that just sounds like a very bad strategy to me. Again no offence, but Shredder should know better than what Crafty pridicts 2-3 moves down the road :) >It happens _all_ the time... Yeah maybe, what do I know, maybe the disease really is worse than the cure. -S.
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