Author: José Carlos
Date: 01:45:12 06/01/04
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On June 01, 2004 at 04:39:10, Sune Fischer wrote: >On June 01, 2004 at 04:04:57, José Carlos wrote: > >>On June 01, 2004 at 03:44:59, Sune Fischer wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2004 at 03:27:37, José Carlos wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>>It's a very powerful feature, too powerful IMO if not all engines have it. >>>>>I'm quite sure even Ruffian would lose 10-90 if Crafty had aggressive learning >>>>>and Ruffian just used a small book without learning. >>>>>You can be of the opinion that's a fair result, I think it is pure nonsense. >>>>>Granted, it demonstrates that Crafty has learning that works, but what other >>>>>conclusions can you hope to draw from it? >>>> >>>> >>>> I disagree but I think we can agree that it's a matter of taste. IMO, Ruffian >>>>has a very good selective search. Using your reasoning, we could say "if Ruffian >>>>beats Crafty we can draw the conclusion that Ruffian has a much better selective >>>>search, but the result is not fair, it should use only null move. Otherwise, the >>>>comparison is nonsense". :) >>> >>>Yesterday I played a few games on fics against a Crafty clone, I think it was >>>already game 5 where Crafty managed to repeat a won game. >>>I was very close to resigning already at move 10, the position was not lost at >>>that point but I knew the game would be of course. >>> >>>More importantly, where is the _fun_ in that, why even play the game? >>>Who in the world gets a kick out of seeing the same games over and over? >>> >>>-S. >> >> In my opinion, the fun is exactly in figuring out an algorithm to avoid that >>Crafty clone beating you twice with the same line. Don't you think it is fun to >>be smarter than a smart opponent? >> >> José C. > >No I prefer to focus on the algorithms and evaluation. > >Book learning is "fake elo", you only cheat yourself into thinking the engine is >better than it really is. > >-S. Human elo is also "fake elo" by that reasoning. To me, chess is much more than search and evaluation. To you, it isn't. Ok, that's your opinion and I repect it. José C.
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