Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 01:52:32 06/01/04
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On June 01, 2004 at 04:45:12, José Carlos wrote: >On June 01, 2004 at 04:39:10, Sune Fischer wrote: > >>On June 01, 2004 at 04:04:57, José Carlos wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2004 at 03:44:59, Sune Fischer wrote: >>> >>>>On June 01, 2004 at 03:27:37, José Carlos wrote: >>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>It's a very powerful feature, too powerful IMO if not all engines have it. >>>>>>I'm quite sure even Ruffian would lose 10-90 if Crafty had aggressive learning >>>>>>and Ruffian just used a small book without learning. >>>>>>You can be of the opinion that's a fair result, I think it is pure nonsense. >>>>>>Granted, it demonstrates that Crafty has learning that works, but what other >>>>>>conclusions can you hope to draw from it? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I disagree but I think we can agree that it's a matter of taste. IMO, Ruffian >>>>>has a very good selective search. Using your reasoning, we could say "if Ruffian >>>>>beats Crafty we can draw the conclusion that Ruffian has a much better selective >>>>>search, but the result is not fair, it should use only null move. Otherwise, the >>>>>comparison is nonsense". :) >>>> >>>>Yesterday I played a few games on fics against a Crafty clone, I think it was >>>>already game 5 where Crafty managed to repeat a won game. >>>>I was very close to resigning already at move 10, the position was not lost at >>>>that point but I knew the game would be of course. >>>> >>>>More importantly, where is the _fun_ in that, why even play the game? >>>>Who in the world gets a kick out of seeing the same games over and over? >>>> >>>>-S. >>> >>> In my opinion, the fun is exactly in figuring out an algorithm to avoid that >>>Crafty clone beating you twice with the same line. Don't you think it is fun to >>>be smarter than a smart opponent? >>> >>> José C. >> >>No I prefer to focus on the algorithms and evaluation. >> >>Book learning is "fake elo", you only cheat yourself into thinking the engine is >>better than it really is. >> >>-S. > > Human elo is also "fake elo" by that reasoning. Yes it is in a way, IMO. It's hard to prevent with humans of course, the solution could be FRC :) > To me, chess is much more than >search and evaluation. To you, it isn't. To me chess is so much more than memorizing book lines. To you this is the main thing. > Ok, that's your opinion and I repect it. Ditto :) -S. > José C.
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