Author: Robert Hyatt
Date: 15:15:31 06/01/04
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On June 01, 2004 at 17:47:42, Sune Fischer wrote: >On June 01, 2004 at 13:55:43, Robert Hyatt wrote: > >>On June 01, 2004 at 12:59:47, Sune Fischer wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2004 at 12:35:18, Matthew Hull wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> >>>>It's like pulling the legs off a bug to measure how fast it's wings flap. They >>>>are dismantling the chess-playing entity known as "crafty" and measuring one of >>>>it's component parts, then claiming the result as the product of how "crafty" >>>>plays chess. It is simply "evil". >>>> >>> >>>Yes but you can hardly expect anything else. >>> >>>I have little doubt that Crafty is in its strongest configuration is when it is >>>operated by Bob himself, running on a 4-8 way opteron, playing with learning on, >>>ponder on, 15 GB hash, 250 GB ETBs on ultra fast SCSI drives, private tournament >>>book, etc.. >>> >>>So no matter how we choose to play with Crafty we cannot make Bob happy :) >>> >>>Consider though, that for many of the other engines similar things apply. >>> >>>-S. >> >>Bob is "always" happy when crafty is played with everything in "default" except >>for the bookkeeping things like hash, hashp, cache, tbpath, etc. That's the way >>_I_ play it, that's the way I test it. That is the way I believe it plays the >>best it can play. >> >>Nothing wrong with someone turning anything or everything off. But it should >>not be called "Crafty" in that case. Perhaps "Crafty (customized)" or something >>to indicate it is not the "normal" crafty... > >It is called Crafty with ponder off or Crafty with no learning, what is wrong >with that? > >The tournament conditions are usually specified for that exact reason. > >Nobody is claiming it is Crafty in its strongest setting, just that these are >the conditions it must play under, like all the other engines in the tournament. The point is that the conditions are not "identical". Program A with good book and no learning, program B with weak book and learning. Turning off books hurts A more. Turning off learning hurts B more. So the idea is flawed from the beginning... > >-S.
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