Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 15:42:27 06/01/04
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On June 01, 2004 at 12:55:37, Mike Byrne wrote: >On June 01, 2004 at 10:40:57, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 01, 2004 at 10:16:33, Drexel,Michael wrote: >> >>>On June 01, 2004 at 06:38:21, Uri Blass wrote: >>> >>>>On June 01, 2004 at 05:52:26, Drexel,Michael wrote: >>>> >>>>>On May 31, 2004 at 20:37:19, Mike Byrne wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On May 31, 2004 at 19:27:20, Jonathan Lee wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>In the ICD chess software, the engines surpass 2750 and going over 2800 at 1.2 >>>>>>>GHZ? >>>>>>>How high can the Swedish rating system, SSDF, can it go? >>>>>>> >>>>>>>FIDE's and USCF's highest are 3000. >>>>>>>I learned later that ELO perhaps can go over 8000 (that would be somthing like >>>>>>>50+ ply for ELO). >>>>>>>Jonathan >>>>>> >>>>>>Without knowledge of the rating population, the absolute value of any ELO is >>>>>>valueless. The way SSDF is designed, a fixed pool of computer programs >>>>>>generally running and rated on older hardware with the new blood coming in on >>>>>>faster hardware with more modern programs - there is only one for the ratings to >>>>>>go and that is up. They have bad case of what I call the "Bloodgood" effect >>>>>>with the limited rating pool. >>>>> >>>>>Very true. SSDF and other computer rating lists are highly inflationary. >>>>>You can't compare it with FIDE rating system at all. >>>>> >>>>>There is not only a different pool of players. >>>>> >>>>>Chessbase of course is not unhappy with the present state. >>>>>After all the ratings are a good sales argument. >>>>> >>>>>Michael >>>> >>>>I do not think it is a good sales argument. >>>> >>>>Most players do not care much about the exact rating against humans when the >>>>program is better than them. >>> >>>That´s Nonsense. They _care_ about the strength compared to the top human >>>players. >>>The number of players who buy a new program in order to play against it at full >>>strength is negligible small anyway. >> >>I know that most people do not buy a new program in order to play against it but >>my point is that people buy a program because it is better than the previous >>version and the relative strength to the top humans is irrelevant. >> >>Uri > >Ratings , like it or not , are relevant to some consumers. They are used for >advertings purposes all the time - either SSDF or some pefromance ratings >against GM's etc. Ratings are to chess programs, is like Ghz is to PCs , top >cruising speed is to automobiles, etc. There are fair number of consumers who >believe they must always have the best, fastest, strongest, rarest etc. Just >ask Chessbase or just about any professional chess author - do they sell more >"Young Talents" or is their flagship products like Fritz, Shredder etc. > >What was the hottest chess program in the early 90 's - Chess Genius - why - >because it was considered the top back then. Which program do people want to >buy today - it is Shredder. I am guessing that there are at least 1000 sales of ChessMaster for every sale of Shredder. You can't even buy Shredder where I live in Federal Way, WA (population 90,000). You would have to order online or go to Seattle to buy it. > Why because of knowledge people know that Shredder >is the strongest or they believe to be the strongest. Anybody who comes to CCC >is for the most part more knowledgeabe than the average consumer on the street >who knows nothing about Chess Program. If one of my chess friends tells me they >want to buy the strongest chess program, I would tell them right now I believe >it is Shredder 8. All of us here gave influence to a certain degree what chess >program our friends buy. Now as indidviduals , some of us may prefer one >program over another - which is fine - but collectively we cast our votes by >which programs we buy and which ones our friends buy. The people who sell Chess >programs know that "perceived" strength matters and ratings blend into that >concept of "perceived" strength. So to say ratings are irrelevant does not make >any sense to me at all. > >YMMV.
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