Author: Sune Fischer
Date: 17:46:45 06/01/04
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On June 01, 2004 at 20:18:23, Robert Hyatt wrote: >>>If it can "use" it, yes... >> >>"use" it, certainly. >>The next time someone searches for that piece of data it will be there. > >Not the same thing. I don't use data crafty "learns". Crafty creates the data, >saves it, and uses it later, all without my assistance. That's the point... it >is something created by the program, for the program. Huh? So if the scientist helps the rat find through the maze the first few times, the rat is not learning? If I manually code new lines into the book, the book has certainly "learned" something new. Ever heard of "learning with a teacher"? :) >>You think ICC games, I think home basement games. > >Same thing... > Absolutely not, ICC is worthless for systematic testing. You never know what your opponent is using, if he changed from last time etc. There is no way you can measure progress under those conditions, unless we are talking really huge progress. >>Controlled environment, guaranteed no aggressive learners, reproducability, >>etc.. >> > >Guaranteed unfair book advantage, etc... If you call me a whiner for wanting to turn learning off, then I'm going to call you a whiner for wanting to turn it on :) >>See above, this isn't the same guidelines as with humans. >>These are controlled experiments. > >Hardly. Non-repeatable openings. Non-repeatable timing. Very uncontrolled >experiments, actually. That is part of the computer chess problem at times... >Unless you get hung up in the same opening game after game... You can take further steps to make it even more controlled, just didn't want to go into that. >>>it does cut both ways and there is little to do about that... >> >>Yes. So we are back to square one, is winning by book "interesting"? :) > >Is losing by book repeatedly interesting??? > No, therefore let's turn off that crap. :) -S.
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