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Subject: Re: For Ed - Rebel settings :-) and :-(

Author: Werner Schuele

Date: 23:44:13 06/02/04

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Hi Ed,
tnx for fast answer. I think, the parameter works, but the result is not that
what I wish :-)
a) goes back to Kh8
b) the difference in evaluations is not strong enough

Greetings
Werner

Here are the results:

Katzenmaier,C - Max damage,R, Partij met rating, 60m + 15s 2004
6r1/6pk/p2Q3p/1p2Pb2/5P2/P3KP2/4B2q/2R5 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Rebel 12: with King_savety

46...Dh2xe2+ 47.Ke3xe2
  +-  (6.69)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Lf5-d3 47.Le2xd3+ Kh7-h8 48.Dd6xa6
  +-  (4.40)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Lf5-e4 47.f3xe4
  +-  (4.19)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-d8 47.Dd6xd8
  +-  (3.32)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-e8 47.Dd6xa6
  -+  (-1.55)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-a8
  -+  (-1.94)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-a8 47.Ke3-d2 Dh2xf4+ 48.Kd2-d1
  -+  (-1.44)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
46...Tg8-e8 47.Tc1-c7
  -+  (-1.47)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+
  µ  (-1.17)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Ke3-d2 Dh2xf4+ 48.Kd2-d1
  -+  (-1.50)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Tc1-c7 Dh2-g1+ 48.Ke3-d2
  -+  (-1.72)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2xf4+
  µ  (-0.95)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-g2 50.Dd4-d1
  µ  (-1.26)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:01  59kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-d2
  µ  (-0.78)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:01  127kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-a2 50.Dd4-d6 Da2-b3+
51.Ke3-f2
  µ  (-1.10)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:01  355kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-g2 50.Dd4-d2 Dg2-g3
51.Dd2-d4 Dg3-h2
  µ  (-0.85)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:01  788kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Dh2-h4 48.Da6-a7 Tg8-d8 49.Da7-f7 Lf5-h7 50.Le2xb5
  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:02  2183kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-e2 h6-h5
51.Ld1-b3 Dg1-g2+ 52.Ke2-e1
  ³  (-0.57)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:07  9071kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-e2
Dg1-g2+ 51.Ke2-e3 Kh8-h7 52.Da6xb5 Dg2-g1+ 53.Ke3-d2 Dg1-d4+ 54.Kd2-e2 Dd4-g1
55.Db5-e8
  ³  (-0.34)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:16  23268kN
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+ Kh7-h8 49.Dd3-d2 Dh2-h4 50.Tc1-d1 Dh4-g3
51.Dd2-e1
  ³  (-0.51)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:28  40849kN
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+ Kh7-h8 49.Dd3-d2 Dh2-h4 50.e5-e6 Te8xe6+
51.Ke3-d4 Dh4-h3 52.Tc1-c8+ Kh8-h7 53.Dd2-d3+ g7-g6 54.Tc8-f8 Te6-e1 55.Tf8-f7+
Kh7-h8 56.Tf7-f8+ Kh8-g7
  =  (-0.23)   Tiefe: 13   00:01:20  118222kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-e2
Dg1-g2+ 51.Ke2-e3 Kh8-h7 52.Da6xb5 Dg2-g1+ 53.Ke3-d2 Dg1-d4+ 54.Kd2-e2 Lf5-e6
55.Ld1-c2+ Kh7-h8
  ³  (-0.34)   Tiefe: 13   00:01:23  121358kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-e2
Dg1-g2+ 51.Ke2-e3 Dg2-f1 52.Da6-d6 Df1-e1+ 53.Ld1-e2 Kh8-g8 54.Dd6-d5+ Kg8-h7
55.Dd5-f7
  =  (-0.19)   Tiefe: 14   00:03:24  300235kN
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+ Kh7-h8 49.Dd3-d2 Dh2-h3
  ³  (-0.30)   Tiefe: 14   00:03:44  329526kN

(Schüle, Leutenbach 03.06.2004)

and with king savety:

Katzenmaier,C - Max damage,R, Partij met rating, 60m + 15s 2004
6r1/6pk/p2Q3p/1p2Pb2/5P2/P3KP2/4B2q/2R5 b - - 0 1

Analysis by Rebel 12: with older parameter king savety=120

46...Dh2xe2+ 47.Ke3xe2
  +-  (6.72)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Lf5-d3 47.Le2xd3+ Kh7-h8 48.Dd6xa6
  +-  (4.40)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Lf5-e4 47.f3xe4
  +-  (4.19)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-d8 47.Dd6xd8
  +-  (3.12)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-e8 47.Dd6xa6
  -+  (-1.91)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-a8
  -+  (-2.26)   Tiefe: 1   00:00:00
46...Tg8-a8 47.Tc1-c7 Dh2-g1+ 48.Ke3-d2
  -+  (-1.71)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
46...Tg8-e8 47.Tc1-c7
  -+  (-1.72)   Tiefe: 2   00:00:00
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+
  µ  (-1.30)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Ke3-d2 Dh2xf4+ 48.Kd2-d1
  -+  (-1.59)   Tiefe: 3   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Tc1-c7 Dh2-g1+ 48.Ke3-d2
  -+  (-2.03)   Tiefe: 4   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2xf4+
  µ  (-1.05)   Tiefe: 5   00:00:00
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-g2 50.Dd4-d1
  -+  (-1.41)   Tiefe: 6   00:00:01  44kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-g2 50.Dd4-d1
  -+  (-1.41)   Tiefe: 7   00:00:01  87kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-a2 50.Dd4-d3 Da2-g2
51.Dd3-d6 Kh8-g8 52.Tc1-c7
  µ  (-1.07)   Tiefe: 8   00:00:01  228kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 Dh2-g2 50.Dd4-d2 Dg2-g3
51.Dd2-d4 Dg3-h2
  µ  (-0.95)   Tiefe: 9   00:00:01  660kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Dd3-d4 a6-a5 50.Tc1-d1 g7-g5
51.f4xg5 h6xg5 52.Td1-d2 Dh2-h7 53.e5-e6+
  µ  (-0.96)   Tiefe: 10   00:00:02  1927kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3 Tg8-f8 49.Tc1-c4 b5xc4 50.Ke3-d4
  µ  (-0.96)   Tiefe: 11   00:00:04  5079kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-d2
Dg1-f2+ 51.Ld1-e2 h6-h5 52.Da6xb5 Kh8-h7
  µ  (-0.86)   Tiefe: 12   00:00:13  17540kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-e2
Dg1-g2+ 51.Ke2-e3 Dg2-b2 52.Da6-a8+ Kh8-h7 53.Da8-d5
  ³  (-0.40)   Tiefe: 13   00:00:50  72841kN
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+ Kh7-h8 49.Dd3-d2 Dh2-h4 50.Tc1-d1 Dh4-g3
51.Dd2-f2 Dg3-g6
  ³  (-0.60)   Tiefe: 13   00:01:28  129370kN
46...Tg8-e8 47.Le2-d3 Lf5xd3 48.Dd6xd3+ Kh7-h8 49.Dd3-d2 Dh2-h4 50.Tc1-c6 Te8-f8
  =  (-0.25)   Tiefe: 14   00:02:49  249391kN
46...Kh7-h8 47.Dd6xa6 Tg8-d8 48.Tc1-d1 Td8xd1 49.Le2xd1 Dh2-g1+ 50.Ke3-e2
Dg1-g2+ 51.Ke2-e3 Dg2-b2 52.Da6-a8+ Kh8-h7 53.Da8-d5
  ³  (-0.40)   Tiefe: 14   00:02:54  256069kN

(Schüle, Leutenbach 03.06.2004)




On June 03, 2004 at 00:21:53, Ed Schröder wrote:

>On June 02, 2004 at 17:16:51, Werner Schuele wrote:
>
>>Hi Ed,
>>which parameter must I use, to avoid 46....Kh8??
>
>
>Hi Werner,
>
>I am familiar with the problem, it's a rare case of misjudging King Safety. I am
>not sure if version 12.00.01 already supports the following parameter, but you
>could try, else you have bad luck.
>
>Instead of [King Safety = 100] use [King_Safety = 100]
>
>My best,
>
>Ed
>
>
>
>>Werner
>>
>>[Event "Partij met rating, 60m + 15s"]
>>[Site "Computers toegestaan"]
>>[Date "2004.06.02"]
>>[Round "?"]
>>[White "Katzenmaier, CM9000_SK70."]
>>[Black "Max damage, Rebel 12 MD"]
>>[Result "1-0"]
>>[ECO "A29"]
>>[WhiteElo "2610"]
>>[BlackElo "2530"]
>>[PlyCount "117"]
>>[EventDate "2004.02.14"]
>>
>>1. c4 {0} 1... e5 {0} 2. Nc3 {0} 2... Nf6 {0} 3. Nf3 {0} 3... Nc6 {0} 4. g3 {0}
>>4... d5 {0} 5. cxd5 {0} 5... Nxd5 {0} 6. Bg2 {0} 6... Nb6 {0} 7. a3 {0} 7...
>>Be7 {0} 8. O-O {0} 8... O-O {0} 9. b4 {0} 9... Be6 {0} 10. d3 {0} 10... f6 {0}
>>11. Rb1 {0} 11... Nd4 {0} 12. Nd2 {0} 12... c6 {0} 13. Nde4 {0} 13... Rf7 {0}
>>14. e3 {0} 14... Nb5 {0.17/15 225} 15. Nxb5 {0} 15... cxb5 {0.16/11 22} 16. Nc5
>>{0} 16... Bxc5 {-0.13/15 155} 17. bxc5 {0} 17... Na4 {-0.20/14 103} 18. Qc2 {0}
>>18... Qd7 {-0.17/13 105} 19. d4 {0} 19... exd4 {-0.33/13 113} 20. Rd1 {0} 20...
>>Qc8 {-0.42/14 145} 21. Rxd4 {-0.04/12 173} 21... Nxc5 {-0.47/13 143} 22. Qd1 {
>>-0.23/13 0} 22... Qe8 {-0.50/13 139} 23. Bd2 {-0.28/11 113} 23... Rc8 {
>>-0.61/13 142} 24. e4 {-0.30/11 22} 24... Rd7 {-0.66/13 123} 25. Be3 {
>>-0.50/12 82} 25... Rxd4 {-0.64/13 127} 26. Qxd4 {-0.47/13 112} 26... b6 {
>>-0.65/13 0} 27. Bf1 {-0.49/12 106} 27... a6 {-0.69/13 117} 28. f3 {-0.47/12 38}
>>28... Rd8 {-0.65/12 61} 29. Qc3 {-0.50/12 139} 29... h6 {-0.60/12 1} 30. Rc1 {
>>-0.33/11 79} 30... Rc8 {-0.60/13 0} 31. Qb2 {-0.28/11 71} 31... Qh5 {
>>-0.59/12 97} 32. Be2 {-0.26/12 115} 32... Kh8 {-0.52/12 113} 33. Kg2 {
>>-0.17/11 122} 33... Kh7 {-0.65/12 83} 34. Qb4 {-0.11/11 108} 34... Bh3+ {
>>-0.77/12 99} 35. Kf2 {-0.13/12 62} 35... Qf7 {-0.75/12 0} 36. Qb2 {-0.31/11 143
>>} 36... f5 {-0.90/13 0} 37. e5 {-0.22/12 80} 37... Rd8 {-0.65/12 21} 38. Qc3 {
>>-0.21/11 69} 38... f4 {-0.66/12 27} 39. gxf4 {0.00/11 39} 39... Qh5 {-0.58/11 0
>>} 40. Bxc5 {0.00/12 84} 40... bxc5 {-1.12/12 93} 41. Qxc5 {0.00/13 19} 41...
>>Qh4+ {-1.44/12 116} 42. Ke3 {0.00/14 0} 42... Bf5 {-0.99/11 60} 43. Rg1 {
>>0.00/12 15} 43... Rg8 {-1.02/12 68} 44. h3 {0.03/12 81} 44... Qxh3 $2 {
>>Tc8 was wel beter hier.... -0.81/12 108} 45. Qd6 {0.41/13 109} 45... Qh2 {
>>-0.86/13 240} 46. Rc1 {0.44/14 0} 46... Kh8 $4 {
>>Nu gaan de a-en b-pion verloren zonder enige compensatie. -0.57/12 57} 47. Qxa6
>>{1.46/13 136} 47... Re8 {0.00/13 0} 48. Qxb5 {1.89/13 96} 48... Ra8 {0.00/12 66
>>} 49. a4 {1.91/12 22} 49... g5 {Remise-score??
>>
>> 0.00/11 0} 50. Qb4 {
>>1.70/11 68} 50... Rd8 {0.39/13 284} 51. a5 {1.92/11 69} 51... h5 {0.71/11 62}
>>52. a6 {2.81/11 86} 52... Re8 {2.51/12 119} 53. Qd4 {3.32/11 1} 53... gxf4+ {
>>2.76/11 69} 54. Kd2 {5.61/12 0} 54... Be6 {2.55/10 10} 55. a7 {5.61/10 45}
>>55... Qh4 {4.64/12 126} 56. Rb1 {6.09/12 0} 56... Rd8 {6.04/12 39} 57. Rb8 {
>>7.39/12 13} 57... Bc8 {5.77/17 25} 58. Qd6 {7.39/12 44} 58... Qe7 {4.65/15 47}
>>59. a8=Q {Max damage,Rebel 12 MD geeft op 9.10/13 24} 1-0



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