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Subject: Re: New list WCCC participants and Free Hardware

Author: James Swafford

Date: 06:26:52 06/03/04

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On June 03, 2004 at 07:32:29, Anthony Cozzie wrote:

>On June 02, 2004 at 16:07:14, James Swafford wrote:
>
>>On June 02, 2004 at 16:03:10, James Swafford wrote:
>>
>>>On June 02, 2004 at 10:06:22, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 16:13:24, James Swafford wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 14:15:37, Frank Phillips wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 12:53:54, James Swafford wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 11:53:29, Frank Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 11:44:58, James Swafford wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 11:35:07, Frank Phillips wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>On May 29, 2004 at 04:00:31, Gian-Carlo Pascutto wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I don't think so. The program still has weaknesses that a bit of
>>>>>>>>>>>extra hardware will not overcome.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>GCP
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>What are these weaknesses?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Bob may even be able to fix them before the event.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>He was talking about his program, not Crafty.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks.  I misread the post.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But I am still interested in the weaknesses being referred to by GCP, which are
>>>>>>>>resistant to faster hardware.  I have so many myself.  If only I knew what they
>>>>>>>>were :-)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>As in, "I can't seem to mate Shredder, even with faster hardware!" ?? :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>James
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guess the answer is yes, although I have never had better hardware - and am
>>>>>>not SMP, so probably never will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>See you tonight at ICC author's only tournament ?  :-)
>>>>>
>>>>>NOt as a competitor-- my thing is nowhere near strong enough
>>>>>to compete yet.  I'm hoping to be able to compete in the next
>>>>>CCT, though.
>>>>
>>>>Are you still doing the learning stuff?
>>>
>>>I've been working with TDLeaf quite a bit.  At some point I'll
>>>post something with some meat to it, but to sum it up, I'm
>>>not nearly as optimistic about it as I once was.
>>>
>>>In my experience, TDLeaf can train the material weights, and it
>>>can even produce an evaluation vector that's superior to a
>>>'material only' vector.  I am not convinced it's useful for
>>>training a complex vector, nor am I convinced it does a better
>>>job than hand tuning.  For that matter, I am not even
>>>convinced it converges to the optimal vector!
>>>
>>>Caveat: it's possible (though I think it's unlikely) that
>>>my implementation is flawed.  My engine will become open source
>>>at some point (maybe after the next CCT), so you can judge
>>>for yourself then.
>>>
>>>Will Singleton and I had a bet on this... I conceited defeat
>>
>>
>>Gah!  I "conceded" defeat.
>>
>>>the other day.  THe original bet was for the loser to fly
>>>the winner and spouse across country for drinks. :)  I'm
>>>pretty sure Will's decided he'll forego that if I show up
>>>at a tourney, but that's his call.
>>>
>>>I'm still very interested in learning algorithms, but I'll
>>>be focusing on improving my evaluation for a while.
>>>
>>>Again- I will post some data at some point.
>>>
>>>--
>>>James
>
>Hey, a bet is a bet :)  Besides, it would be interesting to meet Will in person,
>and probably not _that_ expensive (~500$ maybe?) if you ordered the tickets 4-5
>months in advance.  Where do you live?


Oh, I am _perfectly_ willing to pay up... I lost, fair and square.
It'd be more like $1500 I think, for airfare for two from LA ->
Raleigh NC (I live in Greenville NC), hotel, dinner & drinks.

I can't give away too many details, but Will has something up
his sleeve, and may make me "pay up" in another way. :)
Totally his call...

--
James


>
>anthony



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