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Subject: Re: Updating PGN Standard

Author: Robert Hyatt

Date: 09:11:39 06/07/04

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On June 07, 2004 at 11:08:14, William Bryant wrote:

>On June 06, 2004 at 16:25:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>
>>On June 06, 2004 at 11:39:03, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>
>>>On June 06, 2004 at 10:34:40, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 06, 2004 at 10:28:30, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On June 06, 2004 at 10:16:42, Robert Hyatt wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On June 06, 2004 at 03:11:50, Kurt Utzinger wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hi Graham
>>>>>>>Nice to see that you post these games in the
>>>>>>>old and readable PGN-format.
>>>>>>>Kurt
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Actually that is _not_ "PGN format".
>>>>>[...]
>>>>>
>>>>>     Of course, this is not the PGN-format. I was
>>>>>     so happy to see the readable notation that I
>>>>>     completely overlooked this.
>>>>>     Kurt
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>This readability issue is why it is time to revise the PGN standard.  It has
>>>>been suggested that XML be used, which is probably the right idea.  But the
>>>>standard is getting corrupted with the stuff ChessBase has added and it makes
>>>>sense to come up with a better "standard" before what they are doing becomes the
>>>>"standard" by default
>>>
>>>
>>>       Is it indeed time to revise the PGN standard? Even with
>>>       ChessBase it's possible to save the games in the usual
>>>       PGN standard instead using the new stuff. The "old" format
>>>       is unfortunately not the default setting for ChessBase
>>>       programs.
>>>       Kurt
>>
>>
>>I really think it needs revision.  IE there needs to be a "standard" way to
>>include evaluation, depth, time, and other such things.  Programs are putting
>>these into comments at the present, but comments are free-form so that there is
>>no guarantee that another program can read and understand the info that is
>>included.
>
>I have been gone for a while.  Wasn't Steven going to do this about 2 years ago.
> He was soliciting suggestions for an updated standard.
>
>William


Yes, but I have heard nothing there.  There is a new proposal to develop a
standard to replace PGN and basing it on XML.  current PGN would be accepted
with no problem, but this would give a standard way to deal with the NAG
problem, not to mention adding evaluations, and other details...




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