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Subject: Re: WM Test Position 1 - another solution found (GERMAN)

Author: Franz Hagra

Date: 07:13:30 06/09/04

Te3 is not winning at all - its a draw (only in the original game black wins).

Te3 is the key to draw the position, but its not essential to play it as first
move at all - so the test position is clear in logical human sence, but not
under test conditions, because the test only works correct, when only Te3 as
first move is found!

Tad8 also leads to a draw position like Te3 - so the TEST POSITION is not
correct at all.

Hagra

Re: WM Test Position 1 - another solution found (GERMAN) Ed Schröder 23:14:32 06/10/04
- Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 04:29:20 06/11/04
  - Abstract: Ed Schröder & Robert Hyatt: Tests are meanless (simplified) Franz Hagra 14:24:49 06/12/04
    - Re: Abstract: Ed Schröder & Robert Hyatt: Tests are meanless (simplified) Rolf Tueschen 15:09:18 06/12/04
  - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Ed Schröder 10:15:25 06/11/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Robert Hyatt 08:32:03 06/12/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! (now with DIAGRAMS) Eduard Nemeth 08:22:10 06/13/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! (now with DIAGRAMS) Manfred Meiler 11:31:57 06/13/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG Eduard Nemeth 16:18:47 06/13/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 55 is based on that very game... Mike S. 10:03:42 06/13/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eduard Nemeth 08:18:43 06/13/04
      - Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Mike S. 14:23:52 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Ed Schröder 02:36:58 06/13/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Robert Hyatt 21:27:26 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Uri Blass 06:17:49 06/13/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Robert Hyatt 07:44:15 06/13/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Uri Blass 09:04:39 06/13/04
        
        Re: I wasn't talking about ratings! (n.t.) Mike S. 05:19:46 06/13/04
        
        a little about the used formula (info to Rob Hyatt) Franz Hagra 04:46:01 06/13/04
        
        Re: a little about the used formula (info to Rob Hyatt) Robert Hyatt 07:46:06 06/13/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Uri Blass 14:57:31 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Mike S. 15:12:09 06/12/04
        
        an Mike S. Franz Hagra 15:32:25 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Mike S. 16:02:15 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Franz Hagra 16:12:57 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Mike S. 16:54:46 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Franz Hagra 17:49:19 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Rolf Tueschen 15:25:45 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Mike S. 15:41:29 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position & A General Flaw in such Human Chess Position Tests Rolf Tueschen 16:02:27 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position & A General Flaw in such Human Chess Position Tests Mike S. 16:43:27 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position & A General Flaw in such Human Chess Position Tests Rolf Tueschen 18:50:04 06/12/04
        
        Re: Test Elo was never my point. Bye. Mike S. 06:51:07 06/13/04
        
        Re: Test Elo was never my point. Bye. -->ROTFL Rolf Tueschen 16:14:56 06/13/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 08:57:55 06/12/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Robert Hyatt 12:31:11 06/12/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 11:55:38 06/11/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Ed Schröder 15:23:57 06/11/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Manfred Meiler 13:58:04 06/11/04
        
        How do you know .... Franz Hagra 17:56:37 06/11/04
        
        Re: How do you know .... Manfred Meiler 03:22:50 06/12/04
        
        No answer given at all Franz Hagra 05:22:21 06/12/04
        
        Re: How do you know .... Rolf Tueschen 04:16:17 06/12/04
        
        Re: How do you know .... Manfred Meiler 05:47:44 06/12/04
        
        Hesitating Start of an Open Debate About the "WM-Test" Rolf Tueschen 10:04:48 06/12/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 14:46:09 06/11/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 14:57:52 06/11/04
  - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Uri Blass 07:02:02 06/11/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - OUT OF 100!!! (does anybody get this?) Mike S. 15:01:19 06/12/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 1 - OUT OF 100!!! (does anybody get this?) Uri Blass 16:18:28 06/12/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 11:26:11 06/11/04

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