Author: Derek Paquette
Date: 17:44:21 06/09/04
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On June 09, 2004 at 20:29:43, Derek Paquette wrote: >On June 09, 2004 at 20:24:52, Dann Corbit wrote: > >>On June 09, 2004 at 19:27:37, Derek Paquette wrote: >> >>>On June 09, 2004 at 19:23:11, Dann Corbit wrote: >>> >>>>On June 09, 2004 at 19:07:39, Derek Paquette wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 09, 2004 at 18:49:40, Jorge Pichard wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>Taking on a 3400+ AMD 64 with 2 GB RAM and Fritz 8 >>>>>>http://www.chessbase.com/newsdetail.asp?newsid=1703 >>>>> >>>>>this is very annoying for someone who is a chess enthusiast like myself. >>>>> >>>>>why would the company that is marketting this laptop, RISK using a program that >>>>>is 40 elo LOWER? >>>>>i just dont' get it, >>>>>i think it comes down to plain old ignorance of chess programs >>>>>why NOT use shredder 8? >>>>>this is very frusterating, because we never get to see shredder 8 in action vs >>>>>grandmasters at tournament time controls. >>>> >>>>Probably, they have a good reason. >>>>For instance, they might take 7.04 and analyze every game she has every played >>>>at very slow time control. Now, they have a database and expected response for >>>>most of the moves she is likely to make. >>>> >>>>Perhaps the analysis started long ago. They know for sure exactly how it would >>>>work with 7.04 >>>> >>>>Bleeding edge is not always the best thing, if you want a reliable outcome. >>>>For the same reason, we won't always see the fastest possible hardware. It >>>>could be that the fastest stuff has not been tested. It would be a mistake to >>>>try an untested system. >>> >>>that is very true, if shredder 8 was released last week, HOWEVER, >>>shredder 8 has been released long enough for the following to happen, >>>SSDF has had enough time to test it >>>ICC is full of shredder 8 (and it turning humans into mince meat) >>> >>>that is enough to say that the program is well tested, and that it would kick >>>the crap out of a human, because its certainly beating around fritz 8. >> >>It it not known whether Fritz 8 would do better against humans than Shredder 8. >> >>We might surmise it from SSDF and WMCCC results, but that is really an >>extrapolation that may not be correct. >> >>At any rate, even the SSDF Elo strength rating also does not decide who is >>stronger: >> >> THE SSDF RATING LIST 2004-04-22 97872 games played by 264 computers >> Rating + - Games Won Oppo >> ------ --- --- ----- --- ---- >> 1 Shredder 8.0 CB 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2818 34 -32 481 70% 2673 >> 2 Shredder 7.04 UCI 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2809 24 -23 967 71% 2648 >> 3 Deep Fritz 8.0 256MB Athlon 1200 MHz 2790 26 -25 855 72% 2625 >> >>2818 - 32 = 2786 >>2790 + 26 = 2816 > >two things, >1. it was fritz8, not df8 >2. it is only logical to surmise that s8 would do better vs humans as it's >performance vs programs is higher, >it is the only concrete proof we have, and so our only practical and ratinoal >guess would be that s8 does aswell, >anyting else would be coming out of thin air. just to add to what i said, there is a 59 point elo difference between fritz 8 and Shredder 8 according to the SSDF, in my opinion it was foolhardy to actually use fritz 8 instead of shredder 8, 59 isn't small potatoes if you ask me, could be the difference between a draw and a win.
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