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Subject: Re: Steinitz-Zukertort ( Match, London, 1872) Revisited..Results Wanted

Author: F. Huber

Date: 12:15:03 06/10/04

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On June 10, 2004 at 15:05:07, Dann Corbit wrote:

>On June 10, 2004 at 15:04:37, Dann Corbit wrote:
>
>>On June 10, 2004 at 14:36:04, F. Huber wrote:
>>
>>>On June 10, 2004 at 12:52:23, Dann Corbit wrote:
>>>
>>>>On June 10, 2004 at 09:22:10, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?369410
>>>>>CM9K needs far too much time, and it is a mate in 15 rather than 17. My mistake.
>>>>>
>>>>>S8 mate in 18, 13 min
>>>>>http://www.talkchess.com/forums/1/message.html?369444
>>>>>
>>>>>Shredder gets it wrong.
>>>>
>>>>As long as it finds a mate, the solution is identical, from a game theoretical
>>>>standpoint.
>>>>
>>>>It is a very frequent occurence for a chess playing engine to find a different
>>>>and longer mate than a chess mate finder.
>>>>
>>>>The solution is not wrong.  In fact, it is optimal.  It just is not the shortest
>>>>path to the goal.
>>>
>>>Sorry Dann, but here I can´t agree!
>>>
>>>Ok, a ´longer´ mate is of course _not_ wrong (as long as it is forced),
>>>but by no means I would say that such a mate is ´optimal´!
>>>I think, that really _every_ chessplayer here would only call the
>>>´shortest´ solution an ´optimal mate´.
>>
>>The outcome of the game does not change.  Therefore, the choice is optimal.
>>A win is a win.  The shorter win may be prettier.  But it is not better.
>
>Perhaps this is more clear:
>The game theoretic result is unchanged.

You are right, if you are only interested in the result of a game (=win),
but of course not, if you want to find the optimum mate.

But nevertheless I´m sure, that even _you_ would prefer a win in 15 moves
instead of 18 moves!? ;-)



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