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Subject: Re: WM Test Position 1 - another solution found (GERMAN)

Author: Ed Schröder

Date: 23:14:32 06/10/04

On June 09, 2004 at 10:13:30, Franz Hagra wrote:

>Te3 is not winning at all - its a draw (only in the original game black wins).
>
>Te3 is the key to draw the position, but its not essential to play it as first
>move at all - so the test position is clear in logical human sence, but not
>under test conditions, because the test only works correct, when only Te3 as
>first move is found!
>
>Tad8 also leads to a draw position like Te3 - so the TEST POSITION is not
>correct at all.

[d]r3r1k1/1pq2pp1/2p2n2/1PNn4/2QN2b1/6P1/3RPP2/2R3KB b - -

1..Re3 is a sound positional attacking move and according to my own brainchild
there is a difference of 0.25 in score between 1..Re3 and 1..Rad8. The position
IMO is a fine one to test the strategic insight of a chess program.

My best,

Ed

Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 04:29:20 06/11/04
- Abstract: Ed Schröder & Robert Hyatt: Tests are meanless (simplified) Franz Hagra 14:24:49 06/12/04
  - Re: Abstract: Ed Schröder & Robert Hyatt: Tests are meanless (simplified) Rolf Tueschen 15:09:18 06/12/04
- Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Ed Schröder 10:15:25 06/11/04
  - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Robert Hyatt 08:32:03 06/12/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! (now with DIAGRAMS) Eduard Nemeth 08:22:10 06/13/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! (now with DIAGRAMS) Manfred Meiler 11:31:57 06/13/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG Eduard Nemeth 16:18:47 06/13/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 55 is based on that very game... Mike S. 10:03:42 06/13/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 55 is WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Eduard Nemeth 08:18:43 06/13/04
    - Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Mike S. 14:23:52 06/12/04
      - Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Ed Schröder 02:36:58 06/13/04
      - Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Robert Hyatt 21:27:26 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Uri Blass 06:17:49 06/13/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Robert Hyatt 07:44:15 06/13/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Uri Blass 09:04:39 06/13/04
        
        Re: I wasn't talking about ratings! (n.t.) Mike S. 05:19:46 06/13/04
        
        a little about the used formula (info to Rob Hyatt) Franz Hagra 04:46:01 06/13/04
        
        Re: a little about the used formula (info to Rob Hyatt) Robert Hyatt 07:46:06 06/13/04
      - Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Uri Blass 14:57:31 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Mike S. 15:12:09 06/12/04
        
        an Mike S. Franz Hagra 15:32:25 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Mike S. 16:02:15 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Franz Hagra 16:12:57 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Mike S. 16:54:46 06/12/04
        
        Re: an Hagra Franz Hagra 17:49:19 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Rolf Tueschen 15:25:45 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position out of 100 can't prove anything. Mike S. 15:41:29 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position & A General Flaw in such Human Chess Position Tests Rolf Tueschen 16:02:27 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position & A General Flaw in such Human Chess Position Tests Mike S. 16:43:27 06/12/04
        
        Re: ONE Position & A General Flaw in such Human Chess Position Tests Rolf Tueschen 18:50:04 06/12/04
        
        Re: Test Elo was never my point. Bye. Mike S. 06:51:07 06/13/04
        
        Re: Test Elo was never my point. Bye. -->ROTFL Rolf Tueschen 16:14:56 06/13/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 08:57:55 06/12/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Robert Hyatt 12:31:11 06/12/04
  - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 11:55:38 06/11/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Ed Schröder 15:23:57 06/11/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Manfred Meiler 13:58:04 06/11/04
      - How do you know .... Franz Hagra 17:56:37 06/11/04
        
        Re: How do you know .... Manfred Meiler 03:22:50 06/12/04
        
        No answer given at all Franz Hagra 05:22:21 06/12/04
        
        Re: How do you know .... Rolf Tueschen 04:16:17 06/12/04
        
        Re: How do you know .... Manfred Meiler 05:47:44 06/12/04
        
        Hesitating Start of an Open Debate About the "WM-Test" Rolf Tueschen 10:04:48 06/12/04
      - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 14:46:09 06/11/04
        
        Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 14:57:52 06/11/04
- Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Uri Blass 07:02:02 06/11/04
  - Re: WM Test Position 1 - OUT OF 100!!! (does anybody get this?) Mike S. 15:01:19 06/12/04
    - Re: WM Test Position 1 - OUT OF 100!!! (does anybody get this?) Uri Blass 16:18:28 06/12/04
  - Re: WM Test Position 1 - Good Position or Proving Weakness of the Test! Rolf Tueschen 11:26:11 06/11/04

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