Author: Jorge Pichard
Date: 05:33:09 06/11/04
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On June 11, 2004 at 05:30:16, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>On June 11, 2004 at 05:16:29, Chris Taylor wrote:
>
>>On June 11, 2004 at 04:21:57, Jorge Pichard wrote:
>>
>>>We already know what was the big blunder on move 42...Rg8?, but is 42...Ke6 the
>>>best move for this position.? If we let Shredder8 play White and Deep Fritz8
>>>play with Black the game ends up in a draw after 42...Ke6, but it is not an
>>>automatic win for Black.
>>>
>>>[D]1r6/3k1p2/2rp2pp/1p1Np1bP/pP2P1P1/R1PK1P2/7R/8 b - - 0 42
>Just to give you a hint this game lasted over 160 moves between Shredder8 vs
>Deep Fritz8. I will not post it to let others experiment with it:-)
But with Shredder8 vs Shedder8, it is a draw after 102 moves
[Event "Shootout (Shredder8, Blitz:90') "]
[Site "My Place"]
[Date "2004.06.08"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Unis Star"]
[Black "Zhu Chen"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "B91"]
[PlyCount "203"]
1. e4 c5 2. Nf3 d6 3. d4 cxd4 4. Nxd4 Nf6 5. Nc3 a6 6. g3 e5 7. Nde2 Nbd7 8. a4
b6 9. Bg2 Bb7 10. h3 Nc5 11. Bg5 Be7 12. Bxf6 Bxf6 13. Nd5 Bg5 14. h4 Bh6 15.
g4 g6 16. a5 bxa5 17. Nec3 O-O 18. h5 Bg5 19. Qf3 Bc6 20. Bf1 Ra7 21. Bc4 Kg7
22. Qh3 h6 23. b3 Rb7 24. Qg2 Bb5 25. Be2 Ne6 26. Bxb5 axb5 27. Ra2 Nf4 28. Qf3
Nxd5 29. Nxd5 a4 30. Qe2 Qa5+ 31. b4 Qa7 32. c3 Rc8 33. Ra3 Rbb8 34. Qd3 Qd7
35. Qe2 Qc6 36. f3 Qc4 37. Qxc4 Rxc4 38. Ke2 Kf8 39. Kd3 Rc6 40. Rh2 Ke8 41.
Rh1 Kd7 42. Rh2 Ke6 {[%eval -190,21] [%emt 0:02:12]} 43. Rh1 {
[%eval -191,21] [%emt 0:01:39]} Re8 {(Rf8) [%eval -187,21] [%emt 0:01:59]} 44.
Ke2 {(Ra2) [%eval -189,21] [%emt 0:01:42]} Rg8 {[%eval -190,21] [%emt 0:02:09]}
45. Kd3 {[%eval -190,21] [%emt 0:02:00]} Ra8 {[%eval -191,21] [%emt 0:01:38]}
46. Rh2 {(Rh3) [%eval -190,21] [%emt 0:02:23]} Rac8 {
[%eval -191,20] [%emt 0:00:21]} 47. Rh3 {(Rh1) [%eval -190,21] [%emt 0:03:03]}
Ra6 {[%eval -187,21] [%emt 0:02:44]} 48. Rh1 {
(Rh2) [%eval -183,21] [%emt 0:01:46]} Rac6 {
(Rcc6) [%eval -186,20] [%emt 0:00:52]} 49. Rh2 {
(Raa1) [%eval -184,20] [%emt 0:02:21]} Ra6 {
(Rh8) [%eval -190,20] [%emt 0:02:17]} 50. Ra1 {
(Rh1) [%eval -183,20] [%emt 0:01:29]} Rac6 {
(Rcc6) [%eval -183,20] [%emt 0:01:42]} 51. Rhh1 {[%eval -188,20] [%emt 0:01:53]
} Ra6 {(Rc4) [%eval -190,20] [%emt 0:02:05]} 52. Ra3 {
(Rh2) [%eval -187,20] [%emt 0:01:34]} Rcc6 {[%eval -189,20] [%emt 0:01:21]} 53.
Ne3 {[%eval -190,20] [%emt 0:01:44]} Ra8 {(Ra7) [%eval -192,19] [%emt 0:01:34]}
54. Nd5 {[%eval -192,19] [%emt 0:01:21]} Ra7 {
(Rg8) [%eval -190,20] [%emt 0:01:23]} 55. Raa1 {
(Rh2) [%eval -186,20] [%emt 0:02:16]} Ra8 {
(Raa6) [%eval -181,20] [%emt 0:02:53]} 56. Ra2 {[%eval -176,20] [%emt 0:01:15]}
Rac8 {(Rf8) [%eval -177,20] [%emt 0:01:55]} 57. Raa1 {
(Rc2) [%eval -189,20] [%emt 0:01:32]} Bf4 {(Rc4) [%eval -165,20] [%emt 0:04:06]
} 58. Kc2 {(hxg6) [%eval -181,18] [%emt 0:02:21]} Rc4 {
[%eval -181,18] [%emt 0:01:04]} 59. Ra3 {[%eval -180,18] [%emt 0:01:20]} Rh8 {
[%eval -184,19] [%emt 0:01:18]} 60. Nxf4+ {(Kd3) [%eval -183,18] [%emt 0:01:29]
} exf4 {[%eval -175,17] [%emt 0:00:06]} 61. Kb2 {[%eval -168,18] [%emt 0:00:55]
} Rc6 {[%eval -168,17] [%emt 0:01:11]} 62. Rh2 {[%eval -152,18] [%emt 0:01:28]}
Rc4 {(Rc7) [%eval -152,18] [%emt 0:01:51]} 63. hxg6 {
(Ra1) [%eval -123,19] [%emt 0:01:56]} fxg6 {[%eval -121,20] [%emt 0:01:13]} 64.
Ra1 {[%eval -130,20] [%emt 0:01:02]} h5 {[%eval -130,19] [%emt 0:01:10]} 65.
gxh5 {[%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:01:44]} gxh5 {[%eval -85,20] [%emt 0:03:02]} 66.
Rg1 {[%eval -85,20] [%emt 0:02:14]} h4 {(Rc6) [%eval -84,18] [%emt 0:01:19]}
67. Rg6+ {[%eval -77,18] [%emt 0:01:05]} Kd7 {[%eval -79,19] [%emt 0:01:06]}
68. Rg7+ {(Rh3) [%eval -69,19] [%emt 0:02:39]} Ke6 {
(Kc6) [%eval -76,18] [%emt 0:00:22]} 69. Rg6+ {[%eval -94,18] [%emt 0:01:37]}
Ke7 {[%eval -95,19] [%emt 0:00:55]} 70. Rg7+ {[%eval -114,19] [%emt 0:02:19]}
Kf6 {[%eval -114,21] [%emt 0:02:08]} 71. Rg4 {[%eval -114,20] [%emt 0:00:56]}
a3+ {[%eval -114,19] [%emt 0:00:45]} 72. Kb3 {[%eval -114,18] [%emt 0:00:58]}
h3 {[%eval -124,19] [%emt 0:01:08]} 73. Rxf4+ {[%eval -124,18] [%emt 0:00:40]}
Ke6 {[%eval -114,20] [%emt 0:01:49]} 74. Rf5 {
(Rg4) [%eval -126,20] [%emt 0:02:37]} a2 {[%eval -125,20] [%emt 0:00:38]} 75.
Kxa2 {[%eval -128,20] [%emt 0:00:53]} Rxc3 {[%eval -107,21] [%emt 0:01:07]} 76.
Kb2 {[%eval -107,21] [%emt 0:01:32]} Rd3 {[%eval -111,21] [%emt 0:01:12]} 77.
Kc2 {[%eval -111,19] [%emt 0:00:35]} Ra3 {[%eval -110,20] [%emt 0:00:58]} 78.
Kb2 {[%eval -111,20] [%emt 0:01:02]} Re3 {[%eval -111,20] [%emt 0:00:35]} 79.
Kc2 {[%eval -109,20] [%emt 0:01:09]} Rh4 {[%eval -109,20] [%emt 0:01:03]} 80.
Kb2 {[%eval -108,20] [%emt 0:01:17]} Rh8 {(Ke7) [%eval -107,18] [%emt 0:00:43]}
81. Kc2 {[%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:00:34]} Rh7 {[%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:00:47]}
82. Kb2 {[%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:00:41]} Rh4 {[%eval -107,19] [%emt 0:00:33]}
83. Kc2 {[%eval -83,20] [%emt 0:01:14]} Ke7 {
(Rh8) [%eval -89,18] [%emt 0:00:42]} 84. Kb2 {[%eval -89,18] [%emt 0:00:53]} d5
{[%eval -89,18] [%emt 0:01:39]} 85. Re5+ {[%eval -89,16] [%emt 0:00:35]} Kf7 {
[%eval -81,18] [%emt 0:00:22]} 86. Rxd5 {[%eval -88,17] [%emt 0:00:40]} Rxf3 {
[%eval -92,17] [%emt 0:01:02]} 87. Rxb5 {[%eval -92,16] [%emt 0:00:25]} Rxe4 {
[%eval -92,16] [%emt 0:01:14]} 88. Rb7+ {[%eval -86,12] [%emt 0:00:12]} Ke6 {
[%eval -86,15] [%emt 0:00:31]} 89. b5 {[%eval -109,15] [%emt 0:01:19]} Rh4 {
[%eval -100,15] [%emt 0:01:02]} 90. b6 {[%eval -115,15] [%emt 0:00:53]} Kd5 {
[%eval -115,15] [%emt 0:01:06]} 91. Ka2 {(Rb8) [%eval -97,14] [%emt 0:00:27]}
Kc6 {[%eval -131,14] [%emt 0:00:43]} 92. Rb8 {[%eval -106,14] [%emt 0:00:26]}
Ra4+ {[%eval -125,14] [%emt 0:00:36]} 93. Kb2 {[%eval -124,15] [%emt 0:00:42]}
Raa3 {[%eval -116,15] [%emt 0:00:54]} 94. Re2 {[%eval -116,15] [%emt 0:00:53]}
Rfb3+ {[%eval -116,13] [%emt 0:00:27]} 95. Kc1 {[%eval -116,15] [%emt 0:00:51]}
Rc3+ {[%eval -115,13] [%emt 0:00:29]} 96. Kb2 {[%eval -90,15] [%emt 0:01:13]}
Rcb3+ {(Re3) [%eval -78,13] [%emt 0:00:33]} 97. Kc1 {
(Kc2) [%eval -83,14] [%emt 0:01:01]} Rc3+ {(Ra1+) [%eval -91,12] [%emt 0:00:14]
} 98. Kb2 {[%eval -74,14] [%emt 0:01:03]} Kd7 {
(Rg3) [%eval -14,13] [%emt 0:00:50]} 99. Rbe8 {
(Rd2+) [%eval -2,13] [%emt 0:00:25]} Rab3+ {[%eval -1,14] [%emt 0:00:28]} 100.
Ka2 {[%eval 0,16] [%emt 0:00:20]} Rxb6 {(Ra3+) [%eval 0,15] [%emt 0:00:25]}
101. R2e7+ {[%eval 0,17] [%emt 0:00:15]} Kd6 {[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:12]} 102.
Re6+ {[%eval 0,18] [%emt 0:00:29]} 1/2-1/2
This is the final Position:
[D]4R3/8/1r1kR3/8/8/2r4p/K7/8 b - - 0 102
Jorge
>>>Using Rebel 12 = Analysis for long time controls in windoze. Ke6 does seem
>>good. Think there is a lot of play in this position.
>>One could probably write a book based on this position...IMHO...
>
>> 00:00:00 6.00 1.56 1..gxh5 2.Rxh5 Ke6 3.Ra2 Ra8 4.Rhh2 Rc4 5.Rh1
>> Bd2 6.Rxd2 Kd7 7.Rxh6 Rxe4
>> 00:00:00 6.03 1.62 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rh1 gxh5 4.Rxh5 Rc4 5.Rh1
>> Bd2 6.Rxd2 Kd7 7.Rxh6 Rxe4
>> 00:00:01 7.00 1.60 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rh3 gxh5 4.Rxh5 Rcc8 5.Rh1
>> Be3 6.Nxe3
>> 00:00:01 8.00 1.60 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rh3 gxh5 4.Rxh5 Rcc8 5.Rh1
>> Be3 6.Nxe3
>> 00:00:01 9.00 1.58 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rh3 gxh5 4.Rxh5 Ra7 5.Rh1
>> Rc8 6.Nb6 Rb8 7.Nd5 a3 8.Rha1 f5 9.exf5 Kxf5
>> 00:00:02 10.00 1.60 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rhc2 gxh5 4.f4 hxg4 5.fxg5
>> h5
>> 00:00:05 11.00 1.62 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rhc2 Rac8 4.Rh2 Ra6 5.Rh1
>> gxh5 6.Rxh5 Ra7 7.Rh1 Rf8 8.Ra3 Rc8 9.Ra2 Rf8
>> 10.Ra3 Rc8
>> 00:00:09 12.00 1.60 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rhc2 Rac8 4.Ra1 gxh5 5.gxh5
>> f5 6.Rg2 Ra8 7.Ra3 fxe4 8.fxe4
>> 00:00:17 13.00 1.60 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rhc2 Rac8 4.Rh2 Ra6 5.Rh1
>> Rcc6 6.Rh3 Rc8 7.Rc2 gxh5 8.Rxh5 a3 9.Ra2 Bc1
>> 10.c4 bxc4
>> 00:00:36 14.00 1.59 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rhc2 gxh5 4.c4 hxg4 5.cxb5
>> Rxc2 6.Rxc2 Ra7 7.b6 Rb7 8.fxg4 a3
>> 00:01:20 15.00 1.56 1..Ke6 2.Raa2 Ra8 3.Rhc2 Rac8 4.Rh2 Ra6 5.Rh1
>> gxh5 6.Rxh5 Ra7 7.Rhh2 Ra6 8.Rh1 Rcc6 9.Rha1
>> Rc8 10.Rh1 Rcc6 11.Rha1 Rc8
>> 00:04:14 16.00 1.57 1..Ke6 2.Ra1 Ra8 3.Kc2 Ra7 4.hxg6 fxg6 5.Ra2
>> Rc8
>>
>>Chris
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