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Subject: Re: Abstract: Ed Schröder & Robert Hyatt: Tests are meanless (simplified)

Author: Rolf Tueschen

Date: 15:09:18 06/12/04

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On June 12, 2004 at 17:24:49, Franz Hagra wrote:

>Thanks for your opinion - it helps me a lot in the CSS forum - because there I
>get the feeling I am the only one who don't belive in testsuits.
>
>Hagra


You need at least a class of someone like Fred Friedel to know when you should
say "yes, I know that the moon is a green cheese". He learned it through his
cooperation with Kasparov. <ggg> Even Fred can't write under his _real_ name
because the crowd would be running wild. The reason: the CSS team is NOT - as
always pretended - a neutral instrument to keep PEACE as such but the team is
controlling that ChessBase (& CSS journal) get a "good" press. If someone like
you writes about things that could be negative for one of the two institution,
in the case of your critic of WM-Test it's the CSS-journal, at that moment
anonymous artillery is initiated. I could exactly show you where someone wrote
such a message against you. "genie schlägt zurück" was just the last example.

What is interesting at the moment that

a) the main test author Gurevich does only address his partner Meiler.

b) Meiler does present arguments which have nothing to do with your topic. Until
now he has NOT corrected the false insinuation of what you SHOULD have written,
but in reality NEVER did. That is a match in despair with everything allowed
because these main persons of WM-Test do know for sure that their test is now
detected as full of flaws.

c) M. Scheidl is trying to re-define the importance of your critic. But he will
never be able to oppose the status of a Ed Schröder or Robert Hyatt. Both have
commented on such positional positions of such a WM-Test. Nothing, nothing
reasonable is in such positions. Hyatt brought it to the point:

Death verdict against "WM-Test" - if someone would claim that he can find a
differentiation of 2550 or 2600 then, Bob said, forget it. You can well say if a
program is 2200 or 2600! But this is the maximal possible. Of course now they
are running wild. See what Scheidl already wrote. Wait what Gurevich will say.
Perhaps he will leave Germany and or chess... :)

So my verdict is this: CSS is supporting and pushing a test without _any_
validity just to keep the members and testers "busy". It's a motivation trick,
nothing else. Beschäftigungstherapie. Perhaps the next item of CSS PR will be a
tour like the CAMEL trophy, where "WM" testers must walk through the jungle and
they must test a position of the WM-Test behind the next tree. Then they must
swim through a sea. You see, I were the right person to lead sessions of
brain-storming to invent funny ideas...

BTW   also for the next WCCCC it were important if the programmers should
participate in all kind of activities. Beer-drinking to begin with.
Computerchess will become a secondary activity. [...]


No, you're not the only one over there, but you are the only one who's still
believing that science or the truth, rationality and logic have a value of their
own in CSS and its forum! There is only one rationality that counts and that
is... You mentioned it in one of your earlier messages.

Richard Sorge was nothing against you!!! ;)



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