Author: K. Burcham
Date: 08:42:59 06/13/04
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On June 13, 2004 at 07:50:25, Rex wrote:
>Once again we see Petr show his anti computer playing style. WHATS UP with
>these computer OP's. They obviously dont understand you just cant load the
>"defaults" and expect to win against GM's. There are Anti-Human settings that
>needs to be set in the personality editor if they expect to win.
>Rex
Yes.
I remember a game xracer played against GM Kiriakov.
I wanted open files early in the game.
In one position, I saw that I could exchange pawns to create an open file, I
made the move myself, the program wanted to advance the pawn.
I took extra time early to do this, with analysis.
When the first file was open, GM sent me this :(
It was not his plan.
Maybe the setting in Shredder "prefer open positions" should be selected.
I feel that even with any Anti-Human settings, if you let the program play an
opening that ends in a wall of pawns or a closed position, the GM will have the
advantage to win or the game will draw and GM gets the money.
There are several GMs that will play your program for money at ICC.
The GMs play for closed positions, Draw, and then take the money.
After learning this, I tried to get any of the GM to play against a program for:
low pay for draw, low pay for loss, big pay for win. None of them wanted these
terms.
This is a game GM Kiriakov lost to Tiger 14.
GM left immediately after game without comments, not in a good mood.
(1) GM Petrovich (2522) - xracer (2587)
Level=Blitz:80'+20". ,04.05.2002
192MB, Tiger.ctg. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.Qc2 0–0 5.a3 Bxc3+ 6.Qxc3 b6
7.Bg5 Bb7 8.f3 h6 9.Bh4 d5 10.e3 Nbd7 11.Nh3 c5 12.cxd5 exd5 13.Bd3 Qe7 14.Bb5
g5 0.04/14 1:30 15.Bg3 Rfe8 -0.02/15 2:10 16.Kf2 Rac8 0.02/14 0 17.Rac1
Nh5 -0.10/14 1:36 18.Rhe1 Qe6 -0.05/13 1:45 19.Ng1 Nxg3 -0.06/14 36
20.hxg3 a6 -0.06/13 1:39 21.Bxd7 Qxd7 0.10/16 0 22.Ne2 c4 0.06/14 1:21
23.g4 f5 0.10/16 1:40 24.gxf5 Qxf5 -0.28/15 1:25 25.g4 Qf7 -1.00/16 2:10
26.Ng3 Rc6 -0.74/16 48 27.Kg2 Rf6 -1.00/15 2:46 28.Rf1 Rf8 -0.96/14
1:42 29.Nf5 Qe8 -0.92/15 2:56 30.Ng3 Bc6 -1.28/14 3:11 31.Rce1 Qe6
-1.20/14 1:35 32.Rf2 b5 -0.84/15 6:32 33.Qd2 Qe8 -0.42/16 3:07 34.Ref1
Bd7 -0.88/14 1:08 35.Nh5 R6f7 -0.72/14 1:00 36.Qe1 Qe6 -1.20/14 2:04
37.Ng3 Qc6 -1.20/13 1:07 38.Qd2 Qd6 -1.22/13 55 39.Qb4 Qg6 -1.22/15 1:29
40.Qd2 Qb6 -1.22/14 48 41.Ne2 h5 -1.74/13 1:05 42.gxh5 Qe6 -1.78/14
1:53 43.Kg1 Qe7 -1.76/14 14 44.Kh2 g4 -2.58/13 57 45.Rg2 Rxf3 -2.30/13
1:11 46.Rxf3 Rxf3 -2.36/13 57 47.Nf4 Bf5 -2.64/14 1:09 48.Nxd5 Qh4+
-5.78/11 1:05 49.Kg1 Bd3 -6.48/14 58 0–1
Here is a conversation after another game, which was a draw.
GM Kiriakov was in good mood after this game and would comment.
--- Game 413: xracer vs Petrovich ---
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: hello
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: French Defence
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: allob 413
Marcus kibitzes: yay! :)
RabbitMunch kibitzes: copyg 413
Kibitzto 413 .
xracer(C) kibitzes: .
(kibitzed to 13 people)
xracer(C) kibitzes: sorry but everything is ok no problems
(kibitzed to 17 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: .
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: allob 413
xracer(C) kibitzes: at this rate the program will run out of time
(kibitzed to 47 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: check!:)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: castling :)
xracer(C) kibitzes: program has been very aggressive, and down on time. 11.Nxh7
has not paid off for white in program eval.
(kibitzed to 54 people)
--- Game 229: xracer vs Petrovich ---
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: sorry
xracer(C) kibitzes: no problem
(kibitzed to 15 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: oops, sacrifice/ Aggressive comp
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: ok, i accept
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: nice blockade
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: queenless ending
Game 229: Petrovich may be reconnecting.
Game 229: petrovich reattached to the ICC server.
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: probably its draw
xracer(C) kibitzes: the rook looks so strong
(kibitzed to 54 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: i missed Be4 will hang after Nc4-d6+
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: ok, it is draw
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: nice achievment , (C) L:))
xracer(C) kibitzes: i was worried about time
(kibitzed to 57 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: my endgame techique was not perfect
xracer(C) kibitzes: which move or about which move
(kibitzed to 27 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: hard to say
Game 320: petrovich reattached to the ICC server.
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: ok,ok take my pawns :)
xracer(C) kibitzes: did you think 11.Nxh7 was a bad move
(kibitzed to 30 people)
Petrovich(GM) kibitzes: 11.Nxf7!? Kxf7 12.Qh5+ Ke7 unclear
Your opponent offers you a draw
/tell petrovich can we play a few more moves
Petrovich(GM) says: yes
Sending draw offer.
{Game 320 (xracer vs. Petrovich) Game drawn by mutual agreement} 1/2-1/2
Game drawn by mutual agreement
Standard rating adjustment: 2581 --> 2578
/tell petrovich thanks good game comments?
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: you was out of book early
Petrovich(GM) tells you: i missed winning chances
Petrovich(GM) tells you: i was shocked by Rc1:)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: pure positional exchange sacrifice
Petrovich(GM) tells you: :) computers are growing :) hehe
.what about Nc4
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: Nc4 =
.could you tell me any of the winning chances
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: right after queen exchange
Petrovich(GM) tells you: Qxe5 Qxe5 Bxe5
/tell petrovich so Bf5 was wrong move?
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: may be Bf5-e4 was wrong
Petrovich(GM) tells you: i dont know what was best way for black
Petrovich(GM) tells you: very hard to win
Petrovich(GM) tells you: may be impossible
Petrovich(GM) tells you: do u use big openings book?
/tell petrovich well most programs have large opening book
(told Petrovich)
/tell petrovich what was your last book move?
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: Ndf3 Ba6
Petrovich(GM) tells you: Ne2 is usual move
/tell petrovich so to you was Ndf3 a better move
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: white's plan is Ne2, Bxa6, Nf4 and Qg4
Petrovich(GM) tells you: so, Ndf3 is not best option
/tell petrovich sometimes best option is unexpected move
(told Petrovich, who has been idle for 3 minutes)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: :)
/tell petrovich will you schedule our next game
(told Petrovich, who has been idle for 4 minutes)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: sunday, 7 p.m.?
/tell petrovich that will be fine
(told Petrovich)
/tell petrovich do you have easter bunny
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: bunny?
/tell petrovich do you have easter rabbit
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: no :)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: why? :)
/tell petrovich sorry just trying to be funny easter here in states
sunday
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: ahh :)
/tell petrovich you know easter bunny will bring candy to young kids in
US. very big rabbit.
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: hehe, i know only Rabbit Roger :)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: ok, i have to go now
.ok
(told Petrovich)
.thanks
(told Petrovich)
Petrovich(GM) tells you: see you Sun., 7 p.m.
.ok
(told Petrovich)
The above comments are from this pgn.
[Event "ICC 120 10"]
[Site "Internet Chess Club"]
[Date "2002.03.29"]
[Round "-"]
[White "xracer"]
[Black "Petrovich"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ICCResult "Game drawn by mutual agreement"]
[WhiteElo "2578"]
[BlackElo "2528"]
[Opening "French: Tarrasch, Botvinnik variation"]
[ECO "C05"]
[NIC "FR.17"]
[Time "19:14:25"]
[TimeControl "7200+10"]
1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 Nf6 4. e5 Nfd7 5. Bd3 c5 6. c3 b6 7. Ndf3 Ba6 8.
Nh3 Qc8 9. Bb1 Nc6 10. Nfg5 cxd4 11. Nxh7 Ndxe5 12. Nxf8 Kxf8 13. f4 Nd7 14.
cxd4 Nxd4 15. Be3 Nc6 16. Ng5 Nc5 17. f5 Ne5 18. fxe6 fxe6 19. Qd4 Ncd3+ 20.
Kd2 Kg8 21. Bxd3 Nxd3 22. Rac1 Nxc1 23. Rxc1 Qd7 24. Qe5 Rc8 25. Rxc8+ Bxc8
26. Bd4 Rh6 27. Qg3 Qe7 28. Nf3 e5 29. Qxe5 Qxe5 30. Bxe5 Bf5 31. Bf4 Re6
32. Bb8 Re7 33. Nd4 Be4 34. g3 Rb7 35. Bf4 Rd7 36. h4 Kf7 37. a3 Kg6 38. Ke3
a5 39. g4 Kf7 40. Nc6 Ke8 41. h5 Bc2 42. g5 Bd1 43. Ne5 Re7 44. h6 gxh6 45.
gxh6 Bc2 46. Kd4 Be4 47. b3 Rc7 48. Nc4 dxc4 49. Bxc7 cxb3 50. Kc3 a4 51.
Be5 Kd7 52. Kb4 Kc6 53. Kxa4 Bc2 54. Kb4 b5 55. Bb2 Kb7 56. Kxb5 Ka8 57. Kb6
Bb1 58. a4 Bh7 59. a5 Bd3 60. Bd4 Bh7 61. Kb5 Kb7 62. a6+ Ka8 63. Kb4 Bc2
{Game drawn by mutual agreement}
1/2-1/2
10.Nfg5?
22.Rc1!
kburcham
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