Author: K. Burcham
Date: 06:58:51 06/14/04
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On June 14, 2004 at 00:18:08, Derek Paquette wrote: >Hi there, i read your post about Petrovich vs S8, and you wondered if 'prefer >open positions' was selected that it would do better, > >well i did that, vs a guy named FAther on playchess server, he's well known for >making a stone wall defence, It seems he did just that. no open files. the program does not know what to do in your position, in a 5/0 game against this level of player. >HOWEVER in addition to that, i also made another >tweek to the personality, changing these things > >King Safety 94 >pawn structure 96 >pawn structure (endgame) 96 > >this combined with the open setting allowed Shredder 8 to....draw, >actually a lose, because it was a 5min game and he would have won on time, > >FAther is rated 1900 against humans, not even in a FM catagory, >it seems its not EVEN the settings, its the very program, I disagree. try 3/3 or 5/5, if you do not want to play a standard game. 5/0 games are fun at the servers playing against humans, but you can lose. > >Take note of the evaluation of shredder, it thinks its in the lead, >this is craziness, can this problem not be solved by programers? I believe "father" has the learned to play this type of game against programs. I believe Eduard Nemeth has learned to play some of his openings against programs also. Will these programs ever be able to overcome these opening issues? Not sure. You made reference to Shredder8 eval. Deep Fritz 7 and Shreddder 7.04 has similiar eval to yours. Shredder 7.04 [D] 2rr4/ppk3b1/q2np3/3p1p2/2pP1Pp1/P1P1P1Pp/1PQ4P/R1B1NN1K b - - 12/26 0:06 +4.65++ 63...Kd7 64.Nd2 Ke7 65.a4 Re8 66.b3 cxb3 67.Qxb3 Kf7 68.Ba3 Ne4 69.Ra2 Nxc3 70.Nc4 (3.838.735) 580.8 12/26 0:07 +4.67 63...Kd7 64.Nd2 Ke7 65.a4 Kf7 66.Qd1 Kg8 67.b3 cxb3 68.Bb2 Qe2 69.Qxe2 (4.109.230) 580.5 13/23 0:09 +4.70 63...Kd7 64.Nd2 Ke7 65.a4 Kf7 66.Qd1 Kg8 67.Kg1 Qb6 68.Nc2 Rf8 69.Qf1 Rfe8 (5.355.093) 585.8 14/27 0:15 +4.61 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 Qa5 66.Nc2 Rh8 67.e4 Qb5 68.axb5 Bxd4 (8.998.855) 585.9 15/27 0:42 +4.64 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 Kf7 66.a5 Bxd4 67.cxd4 Qxa5 68.Rxa5 Ne4 69.Rxa7 Nxg3+ 70.hxg3 (24.714.418) 586.9 16/31 1:05 +4.57 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 Kf7 66.a5 Qb5 67.Nd2 Kg8 68.Kg1 Ne4 69.Nxe4 dxe4 70.b4 Qa4 71.Rxa4 (38.388.243) 583.8 16/31 1:18 +4.58++ 63...Kb8 64.Nd2 Re8 65.a4 Bf6 66.Kg1 (45.873.114) 584.7 16/31 1:35 +4.61 63...Kb8 64.Nd2 Rc6 65.a4 Ka8 66.Rb1 Rh8 (55.267.613) 581.7 17/34 2:29 +4.58 63...Kb8 64.Rb1 Rc6 65.a4 Rdc8 66.b3 (86.726.968) 581.3 17/34 2:35 +4.59++ 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 (90.256.939) 580.1 17/34 2:44 +4.60 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 Kf7 66.a5 Rh8 67.Nc2 Kg8 68.Kg1 Ne4 69.Nd2 Qb6 70.axb6 Bxd4 (95.096.794) 578.8 18/38 3:58 +4.54 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 Qa5 66.Kg1 Kf8 67.Nd2 Bxd4 68.exd4 Qb6 (137.085.665) 574.2 18/38 4:05 +4.55++ 63...Kb8 64.Rb1 (140.778.509) 574.0 18/38 5:00 +4.59 63...Kb8 64.Rb1 Rc6 65.a4 Rdc8 66.Kg1 Ka8 67.Nd2 Bf6 68.Kf2 Qa5 69.Qd1 Be7 70.Qc2 Kb8 71.b3 (171.117.094) 570.1 19/34 9:34 +4.53 63...Kb8 64.Kg1 Rd7 65.Rb1 Rdc7 66.a4 Ne4 67.Nd2 Nf6 68.Kf2 Qa5 69.Kg1 Rc6 70.b4 cxb3 71.Qxb3 Rb6 72.Qd1 Qxc3 (329.333.890) 573.4 19/34 9:59 +4.54++ 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 (342.591.690) 571.6 19/35 10:40 +4.54 63...Kd7 64.a4 Ke7 65.Qe2 Rc7 66.Kg1 Ne4 67.Nd2 Nxd2 68.Bxd2 Qxa4 69.Rxa4 Rh8 70.Rxa7 Kf7 (365.082.225) 569.6 best move: Kc7-d7 time: 10:46.906 min n/s: 569.553 CPU 99.3% nodes: 368.447.336 Deep Fritz 7: 63...Kb8 64.Nd2 Bf6 65.Kg1 Rd7 66.Qd1 Nb5 67.Rb1 Qa5 68.a4 Nd6 69.b4 -+ (-3.28) Depth: 13/29 00:00:05 6867kN 63...Kb8 64.Nd2 Bf6 65.Kg1 Rd7 66.Qd1 Nb5 67.Rb1 Qa5 68.a4 Nd6 69.b4 cxb3 70.Nxb3 Qxc3 -+ (-3.28) Depth: 14/29 00:00:10 13366kN 63...Kb8 64.Nd2 Rd7 65.Kg1 Bf8 66.Rb1 Rdc7 67.Qd1 Be7 68.Nc2 Nb5 69.Qe2 Qb6 70.a4 -+ (-3.31) Depth: 15/37 00:00:36 47468kN 63...Kb8 64.Kg1 Rc6 65.Rb1 Rdc8 66.Qe2 Bf6 67.Nc2 Qb5 68.Ra1 R6c7 69.a4 Qa5 70.Nd2 Be7 -+ (-3.28) Depth: 16/37 00:01:19 103990kN 63...Kb8 64.Kg1 Rc6 65.Rb1 Rdc8 66.Qe2 Bf6 67.Nd2 Qa4 68.e4 dxe4 69.Nf1 Rd8 70.Nc2 Nb5 -+ (-3.28) Depth: 17/35 00:01:39 131755kN 63...Kb8 64.a4 Qa5 65.Ra3 Ka8 66.Kg1 Rc6 67.b4 cxb3 68.Rxb3 Rdc8 69.Bb2 Qxa4 70.Nd2 Ne4 -+ (-3.28) Depth: 18/43 00:08:39 695741kN [Event "Rated game, 5m + 0s"] [Site "Engine Room"] [Date "2004.06.13"] [Round "?"] [White "Father"] [Black "Omega-13, Shredder 8"] [WhiteElo "1904"] [BlackElo "2507"] [ECO "A45"] [Result "1-0"] 1. d4 Nf6 2. e3 d5 3. c3 Bf5 4. Bd3 Bxd3 5. Qxd3 Nbd7 6. f4 c5 7. Nf3 e6 8. O-O Bd6 9. g3 Qe7 10. Rf2 Ne4 11. Rg2 O-O-O 12. Nbd2 f5 13. Nf1 g5 14. Bd2 g4 15. Ne1 c4 16. Qe2 h5 17. Nc2 h4 18. Be1 h3 19. Rf2 Nxf2 20. Kxf2 Kb8 21. Bd2 Nf6 22. Ne1 Rc8 23. Kg1 Qc7 24. Bc1 Qa5 25. a3 Rc6 26. Kh1 Rh5 27. Kg1 Qb6 28. Kh1 Rh6 29. Kg1 Be7 30. Kh1 Qa5 31. Kg1 Qb5 32. Kh1 Qa6 33. Kg1 Rc8 34. Kh1 Bd6 35. Kg1 Ka8 36. Kh1 Qa4 37. Qc2 Qa5 38. Kg1 Bf8 39. Qe2 Be7 40. Kh1 Rc6 41. Kg1 Rb6 42. Kh1 Rh5 43. Kg1 Qa4 44. Kh1 Ne4 45. Kg1 Rc6 46. Kh1 Rc8 47. Kg1 Nd6 48. Kh1 Rd8 49. Qc2 Qa6 50. Kg1 Qa5 51. Kh1 Qb6 52. Kg1 Rc8 53. Kh1 Ne4 54. Kg1 Qa5 55. Kh1 Rhh8 56. Kg1 Nd6 57. Kh1 Rhd8 58. Kg1 Qa6 59. Kh1 Bf6 60. Kg1 Bg7 61. Kh1 Kb8 62. Kg1 Kc7 63. Kh1 1-0 kburcham
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