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Subject: Re: Nolot #5 - 1:16 for Zappa

Author: Anthony Cozzie

Date: 19:29:03 06/14/04

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On June 14, 2004 at 21:49:38, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On June 14, 2004 at 20:42:45, Anthony Cozzie wrote:
>
>>On June 14, 2004 at 18:11:17, Derek Paquette wrote:
>>
>>>On June 14, 2004 at 15:38:12, Daniel Jackson wrote:
>>>
>>>>With todays top hardware/software, can the winning move e5!! be found?
>>>>
>>>>[D]r2qrb1k/1p1b2p1/p2ppn1p/8/3NP3/1BN5/PPP3QP/1K3RR1 w - - 0 1
>>>>
>>>>Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>>I think that these position tests are absolutely useless,
>>>an IM can draw a program, so who cares if it can find 'specific' moves
>>>
>>>if it doesn't have a 'game plan' and can only draw,
>>>
>>>whats the difference?
>>
>>Actually I'm pretty happy with this result.  This makes at least 5 of the 11
>>nolot positions that Zappa can solve in reasonable (a few hours) time.  Of
>>course, I am a long way from it playing the move over the board at tournament
>>time control!
>>
>>1. Nc3-e2 e6-e5 2. Nd4-f5 g7-g5 3. Bb3-f7 Bd7-e6 4. Bf7xe8 Qd8xe8 5. h2-h4 g5-g4
>>6. Nf5xh6 Bf8xh6 7. Rf1xf6 Bh6-g7 8. Rf6-f1 Qe8-a4 9. Ne2-c3
>> = (1.87)       Depth: 17/38    00:58:56.78     2666999kN
>>1. e4-e5 d6xe5 2. Nc3-e4 Nf6-h5 3. Qg2-g6 Nh5-f4 4. Rf1xf4 e5xf4 5. Nd4-f3
>>Qd8-b6 6. Rg1-g5 Qb6-d8 7. Nf3-e5 Qd8-e7 8. Ne5-f7 Kh8-g8 9. Ne4-f6 Qe7xf6 10.
>>Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 11. Nh6-f7 Qf6xf7 12. Qg6xf7
>> = (2.28)       Depth: 17/34    01:16:27.50     3451482kN
>>
>>Positions like these show that (IMO) more depth is *always* better.  Maybe not a
>>lot better, but Zappa is still finding new tactics at 17 ply.
>>
>>anthony
>
>The key to e4e5 is that the program must see Ne4 is good , leaving the Nd4
>hanging by design -- just like Zappa shows.  But even pv's can be misleading -
>after 7. ... Qe7 , the above position is Mate-in-7 with Rh5
>
>[d]r3rb1k/1p1bq1p1/p3p1Qp/4N1R1/4Np2/1B6/PPP4P/1K6 w - - 0 6

Don't whine about my 3 ply search Mike ;)

1. Ne5-f7 Kh8-g8 2. Ne4-f6 Qe7xf6 3. Nf7xh6 Kg8-h8 4. Nh6-f7 Qf6xf7 5. Qg6xf7
 = (2.28)	Depth: 3/11	00:00:00.02	3kN
1. Rg5-h5 Re8-c8 2. Ne4-g5 Qe7xg5 3. Ne5-f7 Kh8-g8 4. Nf7xg5 Bf8-c5 5. Qg6-f7
Kg8-h8 6. Rh5xh6 g7xh6 7. Qf7-h7
 =   MAT7	Depth: 9/25	00:00:14.51	10595kN

In fact Zappa makes a mistake much earlier, when it plays Qg6 (Spassky's move)
instead of the stronger Qg4.  If I ever get my parallel version working, I'm
going to run over all the Nolot positions.

anthony



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