Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 13:07:01 06/15/04
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On June 14, 2004 at 12:08:37, Ingo Althofer wrote: >On June 14, 2004 at 11:19:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>On June 14, 2004 at 09:20:35, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>> >>>***************************************** >>>*** Palestine Chess Programmers Price *** >>>***************************************** >>>To motivate Palestine programmers, I set >>>up a price (with three levels): >> >>Your motivation is not clear. > >I want to encourage people to compete in intellectual >fields instead of fighting with stones, guns, and bombs. Hello Ingo, Your words here are different from the price conditions. The price conditions suggest you dislike israeli's as you specifically give a price for beating israeli software. Where the other 2 prices are nice, that 'beat isreali' price is very disgusting and a very big political signal IMHO. >> If someone is born in Palestina, his natural >> parents have residence there, but he practically lives in for example >> Netherlands, does that count too? > >No, that does not count. Applicants have to live in Palestine/Israel. > >>You are going to exclude the only intelligent Palestinians alive? > >No. >You find intelligent Palestinians not only in Germany or in NL. Then why do you exclude Palestinians whose residence is elsewhere than Palestine? >>>(1) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess >>>programmer whose baby gets more than 2,200 >>>rating points (equivalent to SSDF scaling). >> >>So it must have a fritz8 book, learning, and another shitload of features before >>it can compete. Without chessbase learning you are lost of course and will keep >>on losing there more and more. > >Not neccesary. >And I would accept if a programm achieves the 2200+ in matches >where the other side has booklearning switched off. That makes the goal 1 a lot easier. >>>(2) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess >>>programmer whose baby beats an Israeli program >>>in an ICGA world championship. >> >>Your only hope is Uri changing nationality :) > >Or, Vincent taking Israeli citizenship ;) Why don't you extend the rule then to: "the first Palestinian beating DIEP with selfwritten source code in a world championship on the board". Please add 'on the board' to the rule as i want to avoid my house from exploding or getting kalashnikoved. By the way, diep is the only program AFAIK who has had both jewish and palestinian operators at different tournaments. >>Mathematically i see no problems there :) >>>(3) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess >>>programmer whose baby gets 50+ percent of the >>>points in an ICGA world championship. >> >>You can keep your money in your pocket. 50% is at most 1 point away from >>unofficial 'amateur world champion'. that means a huge effort (if copying source >>code from crafty is not allowed). You are not starting at such a project just to >>win $1000. > >Maybe, people get motivation for more, when they get the first or the second >prize. Let's be realistic. Your first price they can get, the other prices you can forget for now until you get yourself a Palestinian passport, or when your 'abroad' definitions are lowered to realistic norms. >>If you already write a chessprogram and by accident are Palestinian >>*then* you would want such a price, but it trivially means the price is a side >>effect for software getting produced anyway. Not a main motivator. >> >>>Time limits: >>>End of year 2007 for level (1), >>>end of 2009 for level (2), >>>end of 2011 for level (3). >> >>>I feel that "proper" definition of "Palestine chess >>>programmer" is not easy. Therefore, in the price I >>... >>>make the following artificial definition: >>>"Applicants have to be Arabs, and they need to have >>>permanent residence within 34° and 36° East, and >>>within 28° and 34 ° North." >>>Details on request from >>>althofer "at" minet.uni-jena.de >>>Legal measures are excluded. >>>(In German: "Der Rechtsweg ist ausgeschlossen.") >> >>Claims too with such conditions. > >I don't get the meaning. Can you explain? You are being so unclear whether someone falls inside the claim or outside that you can always explain a claim as being a non valid claim. >Ingo Althofer.
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