Author: Reynolds Takata
Date: 18:56:25 12/21/98
Hopefully an end to this CM6000 debate.
The two factions
Faction #1 Argues specifically that "CM5500/6000 is a good TOOL(this is in no
way saying the ONLY tool) for strong tournament players.
Faction #2 argues that Strong players have no use whatsoever for CM.
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Faction #1: States that of course for training you need other functions besides
the ones that CM offers. However, that has nothing to do with whether or not it
can serve a ROLE in the strong players repertoire of training devices. This is
because 1. Strong players have other programs to fill functions that CM lacks,
such as opening book editor and database functions. 2.According to several
masters(excluding myself) they don't even use some functions that Faction #2,
claims are necessary, for a program to have ANY role whatsoever in the strong
players training repertoire.
Faction#2:Claims that because CM doesn't have certain analysis features it can
have absolutely NO use whatsoever and to no degree in the repertoire of the
strong player.
What is meant by faction #2 is this, "In order for a program to have any role
WHATSOEVER, in the repertoire of the strong player, it must have certain
analysis features. If it doesn't then it can play NO POSSIBLE ROLE in the
repertoire of the strong player"
What is meant by faction #1, is this "To claim that CM can serve no function in
the repertoire of the strong player is a logical fallacy. This because firstly
the analysis data that supposedly CM does not provide can actually be gotten,
though some small effort may be required. This statement is backed up by the
primary spokesperson of faction #2 in the following post, which was in response
to a demonstration of how one could actually get this analysis that is
supposedly missing in CM.
"Yes, but why should I have to click on switch sides every 2
ply just
to get analysis? You don't have to do that with other top of
the line
software like Fritz 5/Junior 5, Rebel 10, Genius 5, Hiarcs 6,
Shredder
2, Nimzo 98 CSTAL, M-Chess Pro 7.1, Kallisto 2 ....etc etc
etc .
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Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer
Further, claimed is that WHEN you designate the ROLE of CM as but one of a
multitude of computer opponents(a multitude of opponents is EXTREMELY useful in
training), it fills a role in the repertoire of the strong player. If you want
analysis on a game that you have played, place it on infinite, and then switch
sides each time you wish to see the pv on various moves CM is considering.
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Other Statements of Faction #2
" I agree completely with you except that if you don't use an opening
book editor then you are not studying the openings enough.
Komputer Korner
The inkompetent komputer"
This is a statement from a rated expert(KK( to Chris Dorr a USCF Life Master.
Which implies that a expert knows better than a Master how the openings should
be studied.
Another statement
"I definitely meant that few serious players use it exclusively. It
has a strong engine but the lack of 2 or 3 critical features severely
limits it's usefullness to the OTB tournament player.
Komputer Korner"
To be pointed out, Faction #1 does not claim that CM is the ONLY tool to be used
in training, only that it can serve a role in the training repertoire of strong
players. So it is irrelevant to the point in concern, if it is missing features
that don't have anything to do with CM's designated role.
Faction #1 is primarily composed of Masters and CM afficionados.
Faction#2 is primarily composed of CM haters and lead by a single expert rated
player(KK).
KK can rightly so be considered to some degree an expert on some aspects of
computer chess. This can be respected. However at the same time, there is no
jury anywhere in the world that would make the claim that KK is more qaulified
to say what is a useful TOOL in in the training of repertoire of strong players,
than are a group of at least 5 master rated players. He may think that that the
above statements are disrespectful, which in fact is certainly not the intent.
Regardless however, for him to constantly state to strong players that they do
not have the sense or intelligence to know what is a good tool for training in a
field that they have mastered, and he has not, is an extraordinary insult and
ridiculous. CM5500 and especially 6000 is a very useful tool for the strong
tournament player.
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Faction #2 wants Faction #1 to accept that CM can have no possible use in the
repertoire of the strong player.
Faction #1 wants Faction #2 to accept that CM can and does play a succesful role
in the repertoire of the strong players.
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R. Takata
USCF Life Master
Fide Master
Owner of all programs in SSDF top 10.
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