Author: Ingo Althofer
Date: 03:41:40 06/16/04
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On June 15, 2004 at 16:07:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On June 14, 2004 at 12:08:37, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>On June 14, 2004 at 11:19:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>On June 14, 2004 at 09:20:35, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>>> >>>>***************************************** >>>>*** Palestine Chess Programmers Price *** >>>>***************************************** >>>>To motivate Palestine programmers, I set >>>>up a price (with three levels): >>>... >>I want to encourage people to compete in intellectual >>fields instead of fighting with stones, guns, and bombs. > >Hello Ingo, > >Your words here are different from the price conditions. The price conditions >suggest you dislike israeli's as you specifically give a price for beating >israeli software. That is a complete miss-understanding. I like Israel, and I have several jewish friends, both in Israel and all over the world. The main motivation for including category (2) was to couter-act "boycott" tendencies. For instance, it is a pity that the money-giver for Hydra has forbidden the Hydra team to participate in a tournament played in Israel. >Where the other 2 prices are nice, that 'beat isreali' price is very disgusting >and a very big political signal IMHO. When more people have this impression, I would indeed substitute (2) by another category. >>> If someone is born in Palestina, his natural >>> parents have residence there, but he practically lives in for example >>> Netherlands, does that count too? >> >>No, that does not count. Applicants have to live in Palestine/Israel. >> >>>You are going to exclude the only intelligent Palestinians alive? >> >>No. >>You find intelligent Palestinians not only in Germany or in NL. > >Then why do you exclude Palestinians whose residence is elsewhere than >Palestine? It was explained in one of my other replies: When intelligent Palestinians leave the near-east, this means a brain-drain for the region. >>And I would accept if a programm achieves the 2200+ in matches >>where the other side has booklearning switched off. > >That makes the goal 1 a lot easier. Right. >>>>(2) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess >>>>programmer whose baby beats an Israeli program >>>>in an ICGA world championship. >>> >>>Your only hope is Uri changing nationality :) >> >>Or, Vincent taking Israeli citizenship ;) > >Why don't you extend the rule then to: "the first Palestinian beating DIEP with >selfwritten source code in a world championship on the board". It was meant as a joke from my side. Indeed, more like a semi-joke, because I do not trust in the stability of DIEP (on experimental platforms). Consider a cluster with 60+ processors, and then DIEP crushing by some hardware anomaly (in a won position)... >>Maybe, people get motivation for more, when they get the first or the second >>prize. > >Let's be realistic. Your first price they can get, the other prices you can >forget for now until you get yourself a Palestinian passport, or when your >'abroad' definitions are lowered to realistic norms. I am less pessimistic. >... >You are being so unclear whether someone falls inside the claim or outside that >you can always explain a claim as being a non valid claim. The more details you formulate the more complicated things become, and the more trick thinking is possible. I have goodwill, and my hope is that I will have to pay all three prices. When applicants have doubts whether they can apply they may send me Email in beforehand - and I will answer confidentially. The discussion in these days help me to see potential problems clearer. I intend to set up a website on the price within the next two weeks. Thanks again for your questions. Ingo Althofer.
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