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Subject: Re: use [D] to diagram

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 04:16:05 06/16/04

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On June 16, 2004 at 07:00:31, Uri Blass wrote:

>On June 16, 2004 at 05:25:25, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 2004 at 03:06:01, Matthias Gemuh wrote:
>>
>>>On June 16, 2004 at 01:04:11, chandler yergin wrote:
>>>
>>>>Kasparov wrote a nice article on the great Tal - Smyslov game, which appears in
>>>>this months Chess Life.
>>>>He used  Fritz for some of the analysis.
>>>>
>>>>I refer to Pg 19 left column where he presents 13 ....Bd8
>>>>He states:
>>>>"If Black had played 13..Bc5?, then Tal's fantastic idea would
>>>>have appeared in all its glory:
>>>>14Qh4 bxc4 15.Bc3!.
>>>>Believe it or not, Black is defensless against the numerous threats
>>>>(Rxd7, Nxg7, Qg5, Ng5), for example:
>>>>15...Qxa2 16.Rxd7 Bxd7 17.Nh6+ Kh8 18.Qxf6!! with Mate."
>>>>
>>>>I was skeptical of this, and checked it with Fritz.
>>>>Position after 15 Bc3
>>>
>>>[D]r1b2rk1/p2n1ppp/q1p2n2/2b2N2/2p4Q/2B2N2/PPP2PPP/2KR3R b - - 0 15
>>>
>>>>
>>>>Continuing with his Analysis; after 15....Qa2 16.Rd7
>>>>r1b2rk1/p2R1ppp/2p2n2/2b2N2/2p4Q/2B2N2/qPP2PPP/2K4R b - - 0 16
>>>>16... Bb4!! Saves the game.   It took Fritz 0.01 seconds, so I don't see how he
>>>>could have missed it.
>>>>I wonder if he left out this analysis on purpose?
>>
>>It does not take my fritz 0.01 seconds
>>
>>I get analysis with Fritz by using the mouse and
>>clip analysis
>>
>>New game,
>>r1b2rk1/p2R1ppp/2p2n2/2b2N2/2p4Q/2B2N2/qPP2PPP/2K4R b - - 0 1
>>
>>Analysis by Fritz 8:
>>
>>2...h6!
>>  -+  (-3.06)   Depth: 5/26   00:00:00  138kN
>>2...h6!
>>  -+  (-3.22)   Depth: 5/26   00:00:00  144kN
>>2...h6 3.Bxf6 Bxd7 4.Qg3 Qa1+ 5.Kd2
>>  -+  (-3.25)   Depth: 5/26   00:00:00  148kN
>>2...h6--
>>  -+  (-2.97)   Depth: 6/24   00:00:00  164kN
>>2...h6
>>  +-  (9.72)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  345kN
>>2...Bb4!
>>  +-  (9.69)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  347kN
>>2...Bb4!
>>  +-  (9.53)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  347kN
>>2...Bb4!
>>  +-  (9.22)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  348kN
>>2...Bb4!
>>  +-  (8.56)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  348kN
>>2...Bb4
>>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  419kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  ³  (-0.41)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  474kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  ³  (-0.56)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  479kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  µ  (-0.88)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  487kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  -+  (-1.50)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  497kN
>>2...h5!
>>  -+  (-1.53)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  649kN
>>2...h5!
>>  -+  (-1.69)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:01  675kN
>>2...h5!
>>  -+  (-2.00)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:02  723kN
>>2...h5 3.Nh6+ Kh7 4.Rdd1 Bxf2 5.Ng5+ Kxh6 6.Qxf2 Qa1+ 7.Kd2 Rd8+ 8.Ke2 Bg4+
>>  -+  (-2.22)   Depth: 6/31   00:00:02  780kN
>>2...h5--
>>  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 7/28   00:00:02  933kN
>>2...h5 3.Nh6+ Kh7
>>  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 7/30   00:00:03  1103kN
>>2...h5 3.Nh6+ Kh7 4.Rdd1 gxh6 5.Bxf6
>>  -+  (-1.94)   Depth: 8/29   00:00:05  1731kN
>>2...h5--
>>  -+  (-1.66)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:08  3118kN
>>2...h5 3.Bxf6 Bd6 4.Nxd6 Bxd7 5.Qg5 g6 6.Re1 Rfb8 7.Qh6
>>  +-  (1.56)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:20  7927kN
>>2...Qa1+!
>>  +-  (1.53)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:23  9173kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  +-  (1.50)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:25  10078kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  ±  (1.34)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:25  10097kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  ±  (1.03)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:25  10127kN
>>2...Be3+!
>>  ²  (0.41)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:25  10179kN
>>2...Be3+ 3.fxe3 Qa1+ 4.Kd2 Qxh1 5.Nh6+ Kh8 6.Nxf7+ Rxf7 7.Rxf7 Qxg2+ 8.Kc1 Kg8
>>9.Ne1 Qe2
>>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:26  10614kN
>>2...Bb4!
>>  =  (-0.22)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:31  12386kN
>>2...Bb4!
>>  ³  (-0.38)   Depth: 9/40   00:00:31  12535kN
>>2...Bb4 3.Nh6+ Kh8 4.Qxf6 Qa1+ 5.Kd2 gxf6 6.Nxf7+ Kg7 7.Rxa1 Bxd7 8.Bxb4 Rxf7
>>9.Kc3 Bg4 10.Nd4
>>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 10/35   00:00:34  13469kN
>>2...Bb4 3.Nh6+ Kh8 4.Qxf6 Qa1+ 5.Kd2 gxf6 6.Nxf7+ Kg7 7.Rxa1 Bxd7 8.Bxb4 Rxf7
>>9.Kc3 Bg4 10.Nd4
>>  =  (-0.19)   Depth: 11/35   00:00:51  20713kN
>>2...Bb4 3.Nh6+ Kh8 4.Qxf6 Qa1+ 5.Kd2 gxf6 6.Nxf7+ Kg7 7.Rxa1 Bxd7 8.Bxb4 Rxf7
>>9.Kc3 Be6 10.Nd4
>>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 12/42   00:01:39  41480kN
>>2...Bb4 3.Nh6+ Kh8 4.Qxf6 Qa1+ 5.Kd2 gxf6 6.Nxf7+ Kg7 7.Rxa1 Bxd7 8.Bxb4 Rxf7
>>9.Kc3 Be6
>>  =  (-0.25)   Depth: 13/45   00:03:42  94863kN
>>
>>(Blass, Tel-Aviv 16.06.2004)
>>
>>
>>I also suspect that 3.Nh6+ is wrong and the team of me and Fritz finds
>>in a few minutes 3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2
>>
>>Maybe there are better moves because I did not do serious analysis
>>
>>Uri
>
>Some more analysis by yace suggest that black has nothing better than the line
>that I posted and yace leasrned the following after Bb4
>
>It seems that Bb4 does not save the game.
>
>New game,
>[D]r1b2rk1/p2R1ppp/2p2n2/5N2/1bp4Q/2B2N2/qPP2PPP/2K4R w - - 0 1
>
>Analysis by Yace Paderborn:
>
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 1   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 2   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 3   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 4   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 4/15   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 5/15   00:00:00
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 6/20   00:00:00  96kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 6/22   00:00:00  291kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 7/22   00:00:00  291kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 7/26   00:00:02  984kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 8/26   00:00:03  984kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 8/33   00:00:10  4184kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 9/33   00:00:10  4184kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 9/34   00:00:31  13828kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 10/34   00:00:31  13828kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 10/38   00:01:45  46579kN
>3.Bxb4 Bxd7 4.Nh6+ Kh8 5.Bc3 Ne4 6.Qxe4 Rae8 7.Qf4 f6 8.Nd2 Re2 9.Qf3 Re6 10.Nf5
>Rfe8 11.Nb1 Qa4 12.Qg3
>  ±  (0.76)   Depth: 11/38   00:01:45  46579kN
>
>(Blass, Tel-Aviv 16.06.2004)
>
>Uri

When I continue to go back with yace it seems that after Qxa2 black is losing
the game.

Note that +0.76 evaluation is usually not something that I see as winning and
the evaluation of yace is only part of the reason that I believe that white is
winning.

Yace suggests Re8 with a draw score instead of Qxa2 when I go back but it is
possible that it did not see deep enough.

Uri



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