Author: Vincent Diepeveen
Date: 05:22:46 06/16/04
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On June 16, 2004 at 06:41:40, Ingo Althofer wrote: >On June 15, 2004 at 16:07:01, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>On June 14, 2004 at 12:08:37, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>>On June 14, 2004 at 11:19:00, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >>>>On June 14, 2004 at 09:20:35, Ingo Althofer wrote: >>>>> >>>>>***************************************** >>>>>*** Palestine Chess Programmers Price *** >>>>>***************************************** >>>>>To motivate Palestine programmers, I set >>>>>up a price (with three levels): >>>>... > >>>I want to encourage people to compete in intellectual >>>fields instead of fighting with stones, guns, and bombs. >> >>Hello Ingo, >> >>Your words here are different from the price conditions. The price conditions >>suggest you dislike israeli's as you specifically give a price for beating >>israeli software. > >That is a complete miss-understanding. >I like Israel, and I have several jewish friends, >both in Israel and all over the world. > >The main motivation for including category (2) was >to couter-act "boycott" tendencies. For instance, it >is a pity that the money-giver for Hydra has forbidden >the Hydra team to participate in a tournament played in >Israel. > > >>Where the other 2 prices are nice, that 'beat isreali' price is very disgusting >>and a very big political signal IMHO. > >When more people have this impression, I would indeed substitute >(2) by another category. > > >>>> If someone is born in Palestina, his natural >>>> parents have residence there, but he practically lives in for example >>>> Netherlands, does that count too? >>> >>>No, that does not count. Applicants have to live in Palestine/Israel. >>> >>>>You are going to exclude the only intelligent Palestinians alive? >>> >>>No. >>>You find intelligent Palestinians not only in Germany or in NL. >> >>Then why do you exclude Palestinians whose residence is elsewhere than >>Palestine? > >It was explained in one of my other replies: >When intelligent Palestinians leave the near-east, >this means a brain-drain for the region. > > >>>And I would accept if a programm achieves the 2200+ in matches >>>where the other side has booklearning switched off. >> >>That makes the goal 1 a lot easier. > >Right. > >>>>>(2) 1,000 Euro for the first Palestine chess >>>>>programmer whose baby beats an Israeli program >>>>>in an ICGA world championship. >>>> >>>>Your only hope is Uri changing nationality :) >>> >>>Or, Vincent taking Israeli citizenship ;) >> >>Why don't you extend the rule then to: "the first Palestinian beating DIEP with >>selfwritten source code in a world championship on the board". > >It was meant as a joke from my side. >Indeed, more like a semi-joke, because I do not trust in the stability >of DIEP (on experimental platforms). Consider a cluster with 60+ >processors, and then DIEP crushing by some hardware anomaly (in a won >position)... You find movei a more stable engine than DIEP? > >>>Maybe, people get motivation for more, when they get the first or the second >>>prize. >> >>Let's be realistic. Your first price they can get, the other prices you can >>forget for now until you get yourself a Palestinian passport, or when your >>'abroad' definitions are lowered to realistic norms. > >I am less pessimistic. >>... >>You are being so unclear whether someone falls inside the claim or outside that >>you can always explain a claim as being a non valid claim. > >The more details you formulate the more complicated things become, >and the more trick thinking is possible. > >I have goodwill, and my hope is that I will have to pay all three >prices. When applicants have doubts whether they can apply they may >send me Email in beforehand - and I will answer confidentially. 'confidentially' Email can always publicly get used. Even NDA's sometimes are not holy. You're not alone though, Richard Stallman from the FSF doesn't seem to understand that either. However he has my sympathy more than you do. >The discussion in these days help me to see potential problems >clearer. I intend to set up a website on the price within the next >two weeks. "My real intention was and always will be driving the last Israeli into sea," Yasser Arafat (when speaking in arabic) The above is a quote it doesn't reflect my opinion. >Thanks again for your questions. >Ingo Althofer.
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