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Subject: Re: human vs computer, what happens if draws not taken into account?

Author: Mark Young

Date: 03:13:48 06/17/04

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On June 16, 2004 at 20:47:15, Mike Byrne wrote:

>On June 16, 2004 at 20:30:56, David Dahlem wrote:
>
>>On June 16, 2004 at 18:59:55, Mike Byrne wrote:
>>
>>>On June 16, 2004 at 17:27:17, Andrei P wrote:
>>>
>>>>has anybody tried to astimate top engine ratings vs humans by discarding the
>>>>drawn games from the analysis and looking only at the decisive games?
>>>
>>>
>>>I don't understand the objective why one would want to do that.  The way ELO
>>>ratings were defined by Dr. Elo, you would always factor drawn games in.  His
>>>methodology does not allow for discarding drawn games.  Therfore, ratings
>>>without drawn games would be without the same statistical significance as
>>>developed under his system.
>>
>>Didn't Fischer once propose a championship match system whereby only wins
>>counted, the first player to win a specified number of games declared the match
>>winner? This is not really responsive to the posters question, i just thought
>>i'd throw it in. :-)
>>
>>Regards
>>Dave
>
>I actually like that for WC play.  I read his question as  a "rating" question,
>but for match play - first 10 wins can be very exciting (in my view).

Many WC matches have been played counting only wins. First player to win 6 games
was the usual format. I don't know how long you have followed chess, but this
format was given up after the first GM Karpov Vs. GM Kasparov WC match. After GM
Karpov won 5 games but could not win his 6th games after many weeks of play.
With GM Kasparov was catching up. So fide stopped the match.:) Saying the
players were too fatigued to continue. (Fide meaning GM Karpov :) )



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