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Subject: Re: questions about hardware for WCCC

Author: Uri Blass

Date: 08:24:23 06/17/04

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On June 17, 2004 at 11:09:16, Joachim Rang wrote:

>On June 17, 2004 at 09:27:02, Uri Blass wrote:
>
>>1)Suppose that I bring a computer to the tournament and do not use a loan
>>computer.
>>
>>I will probably do it
>>
>>Can I keep the computer there or do I need to carry it every day to my home
>>and later carry it back to my home?
>>
>>2)I think that I will buy a computer from IBM and I am going for the faster
>>single processor that I can get before WCCC.
>>
>>http://www-132.ibm.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?catalogId=-840&storeId=1&langId=-1&dualCurrId=73&categoryId=2588412
>>
>>I think to buy the computer that has a price of 3770$ in that list if I can get
>>it before WCCC.
>>
>>
>>I decided probably not to buy dual because other people test it with ponder on
>>so I plan to use only ponder off in my tests and hope that everything is going
>>to be ok because I do not change my pondering code.
>>
>>
>>
>>I am not sure if I can get it before WCCC and I try to find out.
>>I will not buy it if I cannot get it before WCCC(It seems that I assumed wrongly
>>that the time that somebody in Israel can get a computer is the time that take
>>to send a computer from USA to Israel in the worst case but people tell me that
>>if IBM has not that computer in Israel it can take more time).
>>
>>IBM does not have this computer in Israel and if I need to wait more than 2
>>weeks to get it I am not going to buy it and I guess that I will buy a cheaper
>>computer from IBM and another computer from IBM with 2 processors for the same
>>price.
>>
>>I decided not to buy dual processors and to concentrate on a single processor
>>that is faster if I can do it.
>>
>>I can later add second processor if I want.
>>
>>3)People suggest me for the same price to buy more computers and I want to know
>>what you suggest to do.
>>
>>Speed is important for me in WCCC and I am afraid that I am too late in buying
>>the fastest computer.
>>
>>I decided that building a computer is not an option for me and I need somebody
>>that I can trust who will teach me how to do it and I do not have somebody for
>>that purpose.
>>
>>I want to know what you suggest and what is the best deal that I can get now
>>for the same price that I need to pay for the computer that I plan to buy.
>>
>>Uri
>
>
>Hi Uri,
>
>I would strongly suggest to buy a cheaper system. There is an Athlon 64 3200+


Is the athlon64 3200+ significantly better than the PIV that I can get as loaned
computer?


>with 512 KB 2nd level cache and 2.2 Ghz clockspeed available for about 300 $. An
>Opteron 150 or an FX-53 will be probably not faster than 10%.

The opteron that I think to buy is only opteron148.
I do not think that I can get opteron150 and at least the link does not suggest
it.

Are you sure that the difference is smaller than 10%.

I thought that opteron is always better than athlon(otherwise I do not
understand why selling opteron1.8 ghz is 2488$ based on the link when the
Athlon64 is significantly cheaper).

1.8ghz is more than 10% less than 2.2ghz so your words suggest that
athlon64 3200ghz is both cheaper and faster than the opteron244 1.8ghz.

If this is the case then what is the reason to buy opteron1.8ghz?

I am interested in the number of nodes per second that public movei get in the
opening position with the athlon.

I remember impressive results of slater with the opteron and I have no idea if
the athlon can get close to it.

Uri



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