Author: Steve Glanzfeld
Date: 11:31:12 06/18/04
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On June 18, 2004 at 13:39:29, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >On June 18, 2004 at 12:59:43, Steve Glanzfeld wrote: > >>On June 18, 2004 at 09:47:55, Rolf Tueschen wrote: >> >>[...] >>:-))) I can imagine how a blackout must have suddenly hit you. Has someone >>turned the lights off while you were writing? Why in the world is it "HYPNOSIS" >>??? when people believe the truth to be true? >> >>Steve > > >As I told you - with your insults you can't expect to get answers. You showed >very well that you have a reading difficulty because above I didn't write that >_I_ believed that the ranking lists were "similar". That was a quote from >Gurevich. Understood? But in fact he's right, they ARE similar!! Understood? Compare any rankings you like... >To all the other problems I am certain that to your reading difficulty you have >even worse handicaps because you don't seem to be fit to get what is being >discussed here. This test can't bring effective news, this is the main point. Why is this "the main point" suddenly?? You find new "main points" every day. Don't you know that new engine versions are released every week? Testing them DOES bring news, because there is no other estimation of their strength, yet. A good test like the WM test can tell if it's a patzer or a potential top engine, or what's different from the previous version of that engine... >_All_ the programmers I could read say more or less frankly that they can't work >with _that_ test (100 positions). Because, surprise, to know a ranking place in >that test or in other position tests, has no importance for their programming. Surprise: Computerchess testsuites aren't intended only for the use by chess programmers. Acutally they are intended mainly to be used by fans, chess players, common program users, to be able to investigate the strength profile (strengths and weaknesses) of chess programs, find estimated rankings when they want to... Since some chess programmers have said that they aren't interested much in such tests, this seems to be your main argument against it. But this argument is not valid, because tests are made for thousands of users and fans (who do not use tests to develope, but to TEST), and not as a developing tool for programmers. I'm sure it gives you BIG TROUBLE that the usually top-listed engines from gamebased rankings (Shredder, Fritz...) are also top in the WM test's results, while engines which are playing weak compared to these, are also ranking bad there :-))) It just works! Do you have sleepless nights now? Steve
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