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Subject: Re: Endgame Testposition (easy for some, hard for others)

Author: John Merlino

Date: 10:16:06 06/21/04

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On June 21, 2004 at 10:57:21, Jaime Benito de Valle Ruiz wrote:

>In this position, engines such as Crafty or Fruit need to reach depths of about
>13 (15-30 secs on an Athlon 1800+) before they find the winning, while many
>other (even amateur) engines show very high scores from depth 1:
>
>[d]7k/6p1/1p6/p2Q4/2P1qPKP/8/8/8 b - - 0 50
>
>After the queen exchange this is the position:
>
>[d]7k/6p1/1p6/p2P4/5PKP/8/8/8 b - - 0 51
>
>White cannot stop the passed pawn on a, but the black king can stop the d-one.
>Why some evals work better than others here?
>
>Jaime

CM_SKR on an AMD 2500+ shows a winning score for Black instantly:

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	-4.65	1272		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.d6 Kf7 54.Ke5
0:00	1/4	-4.53	3673		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.Kd7 a3
0:00	1/5	-4.39	12160		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.Kd7 a3 55.d6
0:00	1/6	-4.59	36314		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.Kd7 a3 55.d6 a2
0:00	1/7	-4.62	41996		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.d6 Kf7 54.d7 Ke7 55.Kg6 Kxd7
					56.Kxg7 b5
0:00	1/8	-4.44	51611		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.d6 Kf7 54.d7 Ke7 55.Kg6 a3 56.Kxg7
					a2 57.d8=Q+ Kxd8
0:00	1/9	-4.62	89840		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.d7+ Kd8
					56.Kf7 b5 57.Kxg7 Kxd7
0:00	1/10	-5.23	141905		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.Kd5 a3
					56.Kc6 Kd8 57.Kxb6 Kd7
0:00	2/11	-4.70	235300		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.f5 a3 56.f6
					gxf6 57.h5 a2 58.d7+ Kd8
0:02	3/12	-6.78	852244		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.Kd5 a3
					56.Kc6 Kd8 57.Kxb6 a2 58.Kc6 a1=Q
0:06	4/13	-6.69	1902162		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.f5 a3 56.d7+
					Kd8 57.Kf7 a2 58.Kxg7 a1=Q+ 59.f6
					Qg1+ 60.Kf7 Kxd7 61.h5
0:18	5/14	-7.02	5444056		50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.f5 a3 56.d7+
					Kd8 57.Kf7 a2 58.Kxg7 a1=Q+ 59.f6
					Qg1+ 60.Kh7 Kxd7 61.h5 Qg5
0:57	6/15	-7.32	16982570	50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.f5 a3 56.d7+
					Kd8 57.Kf7 a2 58.Kxg7 a1=Q+ 59.f6
					Qg1+ 60.Kf7 Qg4 61.Kf8 Qxd7 62.f7
2:37	7/16	-7.88	47048644	50...Qxd5 51.cxd5 Kg8 52.Kf5 a4
					53.Ke6 Kf8 54.d6 Ke8 55.d7+ Kd8
					56.h5 a3 57.Kf7 a2 58.Kxg7 a1=Q+
					59.Kg6 Qg1+ 60.Kf7 Qg4 61.h6 Qxf4+
					62.Kg6 Qg4+ 63.Kf7 Qxd7+ 64.Kg8

jm



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