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Subject: Re: Is this a win or draw?

Author: John Merlino

Date: 12:03:52 06/21/04

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On June 21, 2004 at 14:54:03, David Dahlem wrote:

>White is two pawns up, but i'm not sure it's a win. Can Black hold on? How does
>White make progress?
>
>[D]8/6k1/1R4b1/3p1p1p/3P3P/4PPK1/4rBP1/8 w - - 0 1
>
>Here is what Ruffian 2.1.0 says.....
>
>   5	00:00	      10.968	365.600	+1.38	1.f4 Rc2 2.Kf3 Kf7 3.g3
>   6	00:00	      14.602	365.050	+1.35	1.f4 Rc2 2.Kf3 Be8 3.g3 Bc6
>   7	00:00	      22.817	190.141	+1.39	1.f4 Ra2 2.Kf3 Rc2 3.g3 Kf7 4.Rb1
>   8	00:00	      39.944	266.293	+1.24	1.f4 Rc2 2.Kf3 Be8 3.g3 Bc6 4.Rb1 Kf6
>   9	00:00	      65.609	328.045	+1.29	1.f4 Rc2 2.Rd6 Bf7 3.Kf3 Rb2 4.Rc6 Be8
>5.Rc1
>  10	00:00	     109.346	390.521	+1.32	1.f4 Rc2 2.Kf3 Be8 3.Be1 Bc6 4.Bb4 Kf7
>5.Bc5 Bd7
>  11	00:00	     258.132	487.041	+1.27	1.f4 Ra2 2.Kf3 Be8 3.g3 Ba4 4.Rb1 Kf6
>5.Be1 Bc2 6.Rb6+ Ke7
>  12	00:01	     530.758	547.173	+1.21	1.f4 Ra2 2.Rb8 Kf6 3.Kf3 Bf7 4.g3 Ra1
>5.Rb6+ Be6 6.Rb7 Rc1 7.Ke2
>  13	00:02	   1.550.307	587.237	+1.26	1.f4 Rc2 2.Rb8 Bf7 3.Kf3 Be6 4.Be1 Kf6
>5.Bb4 Bd7 6.g3 Rc8 7.Rb6+ Be6
>  14	00:05	   3.222.708	582.768	+1.29	1.f4 Be8 2.Rd6 Bf7 3.Kf3 Rc2 4.Rb6 Be8
>5.g3 Kf7 6.Rd6 Ra2 7.Rb6 Ke7 8.Be1
>  15	00:07	   4.257.138	592.916	+1.30	1.f4 Be8 2.Rd6 Bf7 3.Kf3 Rc2 4.Rb6 Be8
>5.Be1 Ba4 6.Bb4 Ra2 7.Rd6 Bd1+ 8.Kg3 Bb3 9.Rc6
>  16	00:11	   7.071.774	596.270	+1.20	1.f4 Be8 2.Rd6 Bf7 3.Kf3 Ra2 4.Rd8 Kf6
>5.Rb8 Be6 6.g3 Ra1 7.Rf8+ Kg7 8.Re8 Kf6 9.Rb8 Bd7
>  16	00:28	  17.525.381	606.414	+1.34	1.Rb8 Bf7 2.f4 Ra2 3.Kf3 Kf6 4.Be1 Be6
>5.Bb4 Bd7 6.Rb6+ Kf7 7.Bc5 Ba4 8.Rb1 Bc2 9.Rb8
>  17	00:35	  21.360.429	606.313	+1.32	1.Rb8 Bf7 2.f4 Rc2 3.Kf3 Rc1 4.Rb7 Kf6
>5.Rb2 Be8 6.Ke2 Bc6 7.Kd2 Ra1 8.Bg3 Ke6 9.Kd3
>  18	01:17	  46.661.843	605.997	+1.24	1.Rb8 Bf7 2.f4 Rc2 3.Kf3 Rc1 4.Rd8 Kf6
>5.Ra8 Be6 6.Ra2 Bd7 7.Ke2 Bb5+ 8.Kd2 Bc4 9.Ra7 Rb1 10.Bg3
>  19	03:17	 117.569.373	596.798	+1.24	1.Rb8 Bf7 2.f4 Rc2 3.Kf3 Rc1 4.Rb7 Kf6
>5.Rb6+ Be6 6.Bg3 Ke7 7.Rb2 Bd7 8.Ke2 Ke6 9.Be1 Bc6 10.Ba5 Ba4
>
>After 9 minutes, Ruffian switched to Bg1 with a score of +1.28, but Arena has a
>bug and doesn't copy the last line of analysis to the clipboard. :-(
>
>Regards
>Dave

CM_SKR on an AMD 2500+ says that this looks suspiciously like a draw. Note that
the PVs don't contain any captures or pawn moves. And, even though White is up
two pawns, the eval is not very close to +2....

Time	Depth	Score	Positions	Moves
0:00	1/3	1.65	630		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rd7 Rc2
0:00	1/4	1.66	1793		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rd7 Rc2 3.Re7
0:00	1/4	1.67	2411		1.Rc6 Bf7 2.Rc7 Rb2
0:00	1/5	1.65	5066		1.Rc6 Bf7 2.Rc7 Rb2 3.Be1
0:00	1/6	1.61	12342		1.Rc6 Bf7 2.Rc7 Kf6 3.Bg1 Be6
0:00	1/6	1.65	13945		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Rb2 3.Be1 Re2
0:00	1/7	1.60	28498		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Rb2 3.Bg1 Be8 4.Rd6
0:00	1/8	1.62	52202		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Rb2 3.Bg1 Be8 4.Rc5
					Bf7 5.Rc7
0:00	1/9	1.61	98568		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Rb2 3.Bg1 Be8 4.Rc5
					Bf7 5.Rc7 Kf6
0:01	1/10	1.61	185632		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Rb2 3.Bg1 Be8 4.Rc5
					Bf7 5.Rc7 Kf6
0:02	2/11	1.57	379607		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Rb2 3.Bg1 Be8 4.Rd6
					Bf7 5.Kh3 Re2 6.Rc6 Rb2
0:03	3/12	1.59	908912		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Rc6 Be8 3.Rc5 Bf7 4.Rc7
					Kf6 5.Rb7 Rc2 6.Be1 Re2
0:07	4/13	1.57	1974219		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Bg1 Kh7 3.Rf6 Bg6 4.Rb6
					Kg7 5.Kh3 Bf7 6.Rc6 Re1 7.Bf2 Rb1
0:17	5/14	1.57	5136927		1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Bg1 Re1 3.Kh2 Re2 4.Rc6
					Re1 5.Bf2 Re2 6.Kg1 Be8 7.Re6 Bf7
					8.Re7
0:35	6/15	1.52	10960287	1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Bg1 Re1 3.Kf2 Rc1 4.Rb6
					Be8 5.Bh2 Rc2+ 6.Kg3 Re2 7.Re6
					Bf7 8.Re7 Kf6
1:39	7/16	1.54	31356575	1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Bg1 Re1 3.Kh2 Re2 4.Rc6
					Be8 5.Rb6 Bf7 6.Kh3 Kf8 7.Kg3 Ke7
					8.Bf2 Be6
4:00	8/17	1.57	77933573	1.Rd6 Bf7 2.Bg1 Re1 3.Kf2 Rc1 4.Rb6
					Rc2+ 5.Kg3 Re2 6.Rc6 Kh7 7.Rf6
					Bg6 8.Rb6 Be8 9.Kh3 Bd7

jm



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