Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 03:31:25 06/23/04
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On June 23, 2004 at 06:08:42, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 23, 2004 at 05:41:59, Joachim Rang wrote: > >>On June 23, 2004 at 05:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:53:02, Joachim Rang wrote: >>> >>>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:44:57, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:20:06, Joachim Rang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:01:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I think to buy the opteron248 or opteron250(if possible) from >>>>>>>www.compu21.co.il(I go for 2 in order to be able to add one processor in the >>>>>>>future) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>There are some problems: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1)There is no confidence that I can get the hardware before the beginning of >>>>>>>WCCC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2)I am the only buyer of that hardware in Israel and amd has not it in the stock >>>>>>>so the company will invite the parts from USA and they expect to get it in 4 >>>>>>>days from the day that I order. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>3)It is the first time that this computer is built by that company and I cannot >>>>>>>be sure how much time it is going to take them to build the computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>4)there is only limited responsibility for the computer(not like the case when I >>>>>>>buy something from IBM). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The price of the computer is at least 3500$ but I do not pay it in one payement >>>>>>>so there is going to be no problem with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I remember that people claimed that the athlon64 is cheaper solution but based >>>>>>>on looking at the price of the processor it seems that the price of the good >>>>>>>athlon is high so there is probably not a big difference and I do not see that I >>>>>>>can get a computer that is 10% slower for significantly smaller price. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Opteron 248 (clocked at 2.2 GHz) $ 690 >>>>>>AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (clocked at 2.2 GHz) $ 417 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html >>>>> >>>>>I see 799$ for the athlon(not athlon XP) in this table when the opteron is >>>>>cheaper. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>you mean this: Athlon™ 64 FX-53 $799 >>>> >>>>this one is clocked at 2.4 GHz and you must compare it to the Opteron 250 which >>>>is listed with $851. >>>> >>>>Look at the same table one column to the right were all these 3000+ numbers are. >>>>There you find the AMD Athlon 3400+ for 417 $. >>>> >>>>What about this system? >>>> >>>>Athlon 64 3000+ (FSB 1600, 1MB) Box - 3 years warranty - 3 years warranty >>>>($277.76) >>>> >>>>GA-K8NPRO (nForce3,AMD64,SATA SB,Raid,Lan1G,FW) ($148.20) >>>> >>>>DDR 512MB/400 PC3200 Elixir/Digma/OEM ($92.00) >>>> >>>>DDR 512MB/400 PC3200 Elixir/Digma/OEM ($92.00) >>>> >>>>WD SATA160GB, 7200 rpm 8MB - 3 year warranty ($137.86) >>>> >>>>ATI Radeon 7000 64MB,TV Out, Dual Head (of Octek) ($49.20) >>>> >>>>Midi ATX + 2USB 400W (329-1) ($44.20) >>>> >>>>DVD Toshiba 16x48, Bulk in stock ($35.96) >>>> >>>> >>>>Price USD: 877.18 >>>>Price NIS: 4542.52 >>>> >>>>I configured it online on http://www.compu21.co.il/. >>>> >>>>It has only tht AMD Athlon 3000+ which is clocked at 2.0 GHz, so it is probably >>>>10 % slower than your Opteron 248, but it is below 900 $ and you can buy three >>>>of them. >>>> >>>>regards Joachim >>> >>>I decided to go for both the athlon and the opteron. >>> >>>I start by buying the opteron that will be done today and I have some questions >>>about the parts of the athlon. >>> >>>1)WD SATA160GB, 7200 rpm 8MB - 3 year warranty ($137.86) >>> >>>Is it a good idea to spend money on memory when I can save money by getting 40GB >>>and use the money for a better processor(3200 ghz). >>> >>>2)If the athlon3000+ is only 10% slower than the opteron248 then what about >>>the athlon3200 or the athlon3400 (they expect to get athlon3400 next week)? >>> >>>Uri >> >> >>Athlon 3400+ will be as fast as Opteron 248. There is also a version of 3200+ >>which runs @ 2.2 GHz that will be as fast as Opteron 248 too, but there is an >>old 3200+ which runs like the Athlon 3000+ at 2.0 GHz, that will be 10 % sloer >>too. >> >>regards Joachim > >Thanks but I do not understand how it is possible that 3400 can be the same >speed as a new version of 3200. > >What is the advantage of 3400 in that case? > >Uri > >Uri okay Uri (last post ;-)): AMD Athlon 64 3000+ 2.0 GHz 512 KB Cache AMD Athlon 64 3200+ 2.0 GHz 1024 KB Cache AMD Athlon 64 3200+ (Newcastle) 2.2 GHz 512 KB Cache AMD Athlon 64 3400+ 2.2 GHz 1024 KB Cache the list goes on, but these are your options right? For chess Ghz does matter and size of cache is negligible (unless you specifically design for that) but not for other applications. That is why 3400+ is more expansive. For chess however it is not worth the money (perhpas 1-2 % speed difference). regards Joachim
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