Author: Joachim Rang
Date: 04:18:40 06/23/04
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On June 23, 2004 at 05:52:52, Uri Blass wrote: >On June 23, 2004 at 05:30:16, Uri Blass wrote: > >>On June 23, 2004 at 05:21:14, Uri Blass wrote: >> >>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:53:02, Joachim Rang wrote: >>> >>>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:44:57, Uri Blass wrote: >>>> >>>>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:20:06, Joachim Rang wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>On June 22, 2004 at 09:01:03, Uri Blass wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>I think to buy the opteron248 or opteron250(if possible) from >>>>>>>www.compu21.co.il(I go for 2 in order to be able to add one processor in the >>>>>>>future) >>>>>>> >>>>>>>There are some problems: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>1)There is no confidence that I can get the hardware before the beginning of >>>>>>>WCCC. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>2)I am the only buyer of that hardware in Israel and amd has not it in the stock >>>>>>>so the company will invite the parts from USA and they expect to get it in 4 >>>>>>>days from the day that I order. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>3)It is the first time that this computer is built by that company and I cannot >>>>>>>be sure how much time it is going to take them to build the computer. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>4)there is only limited responsibility for the computer(not like the case when I >>>>>>>buy something from IBM). >>>>>>> >>>>>>>The price of the computer is at least 3500$ but I do not pay it in one payement >>>>>>>so there is going to be no problem with it. >>>>>>> >>>>>>>I remember that people claimed that the athlon64 is cheaper solution but based >>>>>>>on looking at the price of the processor it seems that the price of the good >>>>>>>athlon is high so there is probably not a big difference and I do not see that I >>>>>>>can get a computer that is 10% slower for significantly smaller price. >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>Opteron 248 (clocked at 2.2 GHz) $ 690 >>>>>>AMD Athlon 64 3400+ (clocked at 2.2 GHz) $ 417 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>http://www.amd.com/us-en/Corporate/VirtualPressRoom/0,,51_104_609,00.html >>>>> >>>>>I see 799$ for the athlon(not athlon XP) in this table when the opteron is >>>>>cheaper. >>>>> >>>>>Uri >>>> >>>> >>>>you mean this: Athlon™ 64 FX-53 $799 >>>> >>>>this one is clocked at 2.4 GHz and you must compare it to the Opteron 250 which >>>>is listed with $851. >>>> >>>>Look at the same table one column to the right were all these 3000+ numbers are. >>>>There you find the AMD Athlon 3400+ for 417 $. >>>> >>>>What about this system? >>>> >>>>Athlon 64 3000+ (FSB 1600, 1MB) Box - 3 years warranty - 3 years warranty >>>>($277.76) >>>> >>>>GA-K8NPRO (nForce3,AMD64,SATA SB,Raid,Lan1G,FW) ($148.20) >>>> >>>>DDR 512MB/400 PC3200 Elixir/Digma/OEM ($92.00) >>>> >>>>DDR 512MB/400 PC3200 Elixir/Digma/OEM ($92.00) >>>> >>>>WD SATA160GB, 7200 rpm 8MB - 3 year warranty ($137.86) >>>> >>>>ATI Radeon 7000 64MB,TV Out, Dual Head (of Octek) ($49.20) >>>> >>>>Midi ATX + 2USB 400W (329-1) ($44.20) >>>> >>>>DVD Toshiba 16x48, Bulk in stock ($35.96) >>>> >>>> >>>>Price USD: 877.18 >>>>Price NIS: 4542.52 >>>> >>>>I configured it online on http://www.compu21.co.il/. >>>> >>>>It has only tht AMD Athlon 3000+ which is clocked at 2.0 GHz, so it is probably >>>>10 % slower than your Opteron 248, but it is below 900 $ and you can buy three >>>>of them. >>>> >>>>regards Joachim >>> >>>I decided to go for both the athlon and the opteron. >>> >>>I start by buying the opteron that will be done today and I have some questions >>>about the parts of the athlon. >> >><snipped> >>>1)WD SATA160GB, 7200 rpm 8MB - 3 year warranty ($137.86) >>> >>>Is it a good idea to spend money on memory when I can save money by getting 40GB >>>and use the money for a better processor(3200 ghz). >> >>I see that I need SATA that is the same for the motherboard and the memory so it >>seems that Joachim was right here and the difference between 120GB and 160GB >>is less than 10$ in price. >> >>Uri > >Price is 1284.65$ > >Here are the relevant parts with comments: >Before I buy it I prefer to hear comments from people about it(if there are >parts that are important to change from the point of view of speed of chess >program. > >1)Athlon64 3200+(FSB 1600 1MB)Box 3 years warranty-3 years(358.03$) >2)GA-8IK1100 i875P,DD400,6 ch.SB Intel Lan,FW,S-ATA(148.5$) >3)2* DDR 512MB/400 PC3200 Elixir/Digma/OEM(92$+92$) >The question is if I need 2 of them but this was suggested in the original post. >4)Mextor 120 GB 7200/133 8 MB cache SATA 129.39$(instead of 160 GB that is >slightly more expensive) >5)ATI Radeon 7000 64MB,TV Out,Dual Head(of Octek) 49.20$ >6)Midi ATX+2USB 400W(329-1) (44.2$) >7)Floppy Disk Drive 1.44MB(10.56$) >8)DVD Toshiba 16*48 Bulk in stock(35.96$) >9)NetCard PCI 10/1000 Realtek(8.6$) >10)Mag17"786PF 0.25 Flat-(140$) >11)Genius KB-10X PS2 En/Heb(10.5$) >12)Windows XP Pro(En)+Gift-Microsoft Optical mouse(165.71$) > >Uri some comments ;-) - the 3200+ is clocked at 2.0 GHz so not a big difference for chess (see post above). - I strongly suggest 1024 MB Hash since it is the 2nd main factor of speed of a system - There is LAN on Board so I don't know whether you need an additiona network card - Win XP Home will probably satisfy your needs unless you plan to use this system as a network server regards Joachim
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