Author: Dann Corbit
Date: 11:05:29 06/24/04
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On June 24, 2004 at 09:30:40, Vincent Diepeveen wrote: >On June 23, 2004 at 23:17:26, Mike Byrne wrote: > >>On June 23, 2004 at 23:06:13, Dann Corbit wrote: >> >>>On June 23, 2004 at 22:50:38, Mike Byrne wrote: >>> >>>>Do we have now have machines on desktops equal to Deep Blue in strength as Don >>>>Daily suggested may happen in 10 years or less back in 1999? >>>> >>>>http://chessprogramming.org/cccsearch/ccc.php?art_id=44793 >>>> >>>>Let's hear your opinions! >>> >>>No question about it. >>>At the half-way point, an 8-way AMD 64 bit box gets a significant chunk of it >>>(about 10% of Deep Blue's best burst rate IIRC). >>> >>>with 5 more doublings, that would give 1.6x Deep Blue's full tilt, max >>>throughput. Of course that is for bleeding edge. A high-end workstation will >>>be about on par with Deep Blue, I would think. >>> >>>Probably, a very excellent estimate by Don (I don't think you could guess closer >>>in terms of years -- 9 years and not yet, 11 years and enormously faster.) >> >>That was my thought , that Don made one heck of a good estimate there and it is >>in part why I posted it. > >Don is also dead wrong and the wrong guy to ask anyway. > >He ran himself on big hardware and will never say it ran bad. > >Cilk was the most inefficient parallel programming language i *ever* saw. > >There is *zero* logfiles from a good compare of cilkchess without cilk single >cpu versus cilkchess with cilk single cpu. > >The only comparision i know is that it was a bitboard program, getting single >cpu at his PII266Mhz like 200k nps and when using cilk at a fast 64 bits >processor 300Mhz it got just 5k nps. > >A bitboard program with very little eval. > >Crafty, also bitboards program i do not know exactly its speed in those days, >but crafty had *more* evaluation and funky stuff than cilkchess and searched >like 150k nps or so at the same PII processor. > >If i do bad on big iron i say it, but those guys never will. Yeah. That Cilkchess was a real piece of crap. [Event "Ch Netherlands (computers)"] [Site "NED"] [Date "1996.??.??"] [Round "5"] [White "Computer \"Cilkchess\""] [Black "Diep"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "C06o"] [Variation "French: Tarrasch, Closed, 8...f6 9.exf6 Nxf6 10.O-O Bd6 11.Nf3 Qb6"] [Annotator ""] [Source ""] [Remark ""] 1.e4 e6 2.d4 d5 3.Nd2 Nf6 4.e5 Nfd7 5.Bd3 c5 6.c3 Nc6 7.Ne2 cxd4 8.cxd4 Qb6 9.Nf3 f6 10.exf6 Nxf6 11.O-O Bd6 12.Bf4 Bxf4 13.Nxf4 Qxb2 14.Re1 O-O 15.Nxe6 Bxe6 16.Rxe6 Rae8 17.Rb1 Qxa2 18.Rxe8 Rxe8 19.Rxb7 Ne4 20.Bxe4 Rxe4 21.Rc7 Nd8 22.Rc8 Re8 23.h4 Rf8 24.Qe1 Qa6 25.Rc5 Qb7 26.Qe5 Qa8 27. Ng5 a5 28.Rc7 Nf7 29.Nxf7 Rxf7 30.Qe6 1-0 [Event "Ch Netherlands (computers)"] [Site "NED"] [Date "1997.??.??"] [Round "9"] [White "Computer \"Cilkchess\""] [Black "Diep"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "E48"] [Variation "Nimzo-Indian: 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 d5 6.Ne2"] [Annotator ""] [Source ""] [Remark ""] 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nc3 Bb4 4.e3 O-O 5.Bd3 d5 6.Ne2 dxc4 7.Bxc4 c5 8.O-O cxd4 9.exd4 Nc6 10.Bg5 Be7 11.a3 a6 12.Bxf6 Bxf6 13.d5 Na5 14.Ba2 exd5 15. Qxd5 Bg4 16.Rfe1 Qxd5 17.Bxd5 Rac8 18.f3 Bf5 19.b4 Nc6 20.Rad1 Rfd8 21. Bxc6 bxc6 22.Kf2 Kf8 23.Rxd8+ Rxd8 24.Rd1 Rxd1 25.Nxd1 Bd8 26.Ne3 Bb6 27. Nf4 Bb1 28.Ke2 Bc7 29.g3 Bxf4 30.gxf4 Ke7 31.Kd2 Kd6 32.Nd1 Bg6 33.Nc3 f5 34.Na4 Kd5 35.Kd3 Bh5 36.Nb6+ Kd6 37.Nc4+ Ke6 38.Ke3 c5 39.bxc5 Kd5 40.c6 Kxc6 41.Kd4 Be8 42.Ke5 g6 43.Nd6 Bd7 44.Nf7 Kb5 45.Kf6 Ka4 46.Kg7 Kxa3 47. Kxh7 Kb3 48.Kxg6 a5 49.h4 a4 50.h5 a3 51.h6 a2 52.h7 a1=Q 53.h8=Q Qg1+ 54. Ng5 Kc2 55.Qb8 Qd4 56.Nf7 Qg1+ 57.Kf6 Qc5 58.Qe5 Qc8 59.Qd6 Kc1 60.Nh6 Qd8+ 61.Kg7 Qc8 62.Kg6 Kb1 63.Kg5 Qd8+ 64.Qf6 Qa8 65.Qb6+ Ka2 66.Nxf5 Qd5 67.Qf2+ Kb1 68.Qe1+ Ka2 69.Qe5 Qg8+ 70.Kh6 Qf8+ 71.Ng7 Qh8+ 72.Kg6 Qh3 73. Qd5+ Ka3 74.f5 Qg3+ 75.Kf6 Ba4 76.Ne6 Qh4+ 77.Ke5 Qh2+ 78.f4 Qe2+ 79.Kd6 Qa6+ 80.Ke7 Qa7+ 81.Kf8 Qh7 82.Qd6+ Ka2 83.Qd2+ Ka3 84.Qc3+ Ka2 85.Nd4 Qh8+ 86.Ke7 Qe8+ 87.Kd6 Qd7+ 88.Kc5 Qb7 89.Qc4+ Ka3 90.Nb5+ Kb2 91.Qxa4 1-0 [Event "Ch Netherlands (computers)"] [Site "NED"] [Date "1998.??.??"] [Round "11"] [White "Computer \"Cilkchess\""] [Black "Diep"] [Result "1-0"] [ECO "C42n"] [Variation "Russian Game: Cozio/Lasker"] [Annotator ""] [Source ""] [Remark "XI"] 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nf6 3.Nxe5 d6 4.Nf3 Nxe4 5.Qe2 Qe7 6.d3 Nf6 7.Bg5 Be6 8.Nc3 h6 9.Bxf6 Qxf6 10.d4 c6 11.d5 cxd5 12.O-O-O Be7 13.Qb5+ Nd7 14.Qxb7 O-O 15.Nxd5 Bxd5 16.Qxd5 Rab8 17.c3 Rfc8 18.Rd4 Nb6 19.Qe4 d5 20.Qf4 Qxf4+ 21. Rxf4 g5 22.Rg4 h5 23.Rd4 Bf6 24.Rb4 g4 25.Nd2 d4 26.c4 Be7 27.Rb3 Nd7 28. Rxb8 Rxb8 29.Nb3 Nc5 30.Nxc5 Bxc5 31.Bd3 Kf8 32.h3 Rb6 33.hxg4 hxg4 34. Rh8+ Ke7 35.Rc8 Bd6 36.Rg8 g3 37.fxg3 Be5 38.c5 Rb8 39.Rxb8 Bxb8 40.g4 f6 41.Bf5 a5 42.a3 a4 43.Bc2 Ke6 44.Bxa4 Kd5 45.b4 d3 46.Bb3+ Kd4 47.Kd1 Kc3 48.Bf7 Bg3 49.c6 Bc7 50.Be6 Bb6 51.Bd5 Bd8 52.Ba2 Bb6 53.Be6 Bc7 54.Bf7 Bd8 55.Kc1 Bb6 56.Bg8 Bd8 57.Be6 Bc7 58.Bd5 Kd4 59.Bg8 Kc3 60.Kd1 Bb6 61. b5 Kd4 62.Bf7 Ke4 63.Ba2 Ke5 64.Bc4 Ke4 65.Be6 Ke3 66.Ba2 Kd4 67.Bg8 Ke4 68.Kc1 Be3+ 69.Kb2 Bb6 70.Kc3 Ba5+ 71.Kc4 d2 72.Bd5+ Ke5 73.Bf3 Kd6 74.a4 Bb6 75.Kb4 Bf2 76.a5 Be1 77.Bd1 Bg3 78.b6 Bf2 79.Kb5 1-0 ;-)
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