Author: David Dahlem
Date: 13:25:57 06/25/04
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On June 25, 2004 at 16:20:46, Sandro Necchi wrote: >On June 25, 2004 at 15:54:13, Fernando Villegas wrote: > >Hi, > >>After some extra testing and looking at CM 10.000, much or perhaps all the first >>somewhat childish enthusiasm I had for it has evaporated. > >I do not know this program well enough, since I do not buy or get programs >without the auto232. If someone gives them to me I just put them away. I am not >planning to buy it because some of features I like most in chess programs are >not included in this package. > >It is not my habit to talk badly about any chess program and I will not start >today. > >I think this is a very good programs in many ways, because the programmer is >really skilled, but since some time his interest is not to make stronger >programs, but new versions. > >I can understand that his way of play is fun and that because of this several >people like this program and are fan of it, but I think it is a mistake they >make expectations about something which is not planned and getting upset because >of this. > >To me the Auto 232 feature and a professional opening book is a clear indication >if that program cares about strenght and to supply something at the top level. > >This program is made for the mass people; the pieces movers. I mean who does not >know how to play chess and like graphics and things like that. >From a commercial point of view this may be the best... > >I am sure some people will react badly about what I said, but this is my >impression and if you think a little deeper you will agree with me. > >Just my 2 cents > >Sandro > I agree completely. the Chessmaster GUI is, and always has been, a mass market toy. But it does come with a very strong professional chess engine, by a great programmer. :-) Dave >>Not that this product is deficient at all, but once you have begun to use it for >>real after the first enthralling feeling that invade a freak with just the idea >>you have in your hands something new, you rapidly comes to terms with a very >>simple reality: it is the fact this CM is "new" only with respect to the most >>shallow features. In every real aspect with CM 10º edition you have 99% of the >>very same product capable of beating you 100% of times, the same toy with lot of >>frills not better than the older and sometimes even worse, the same fastidious >>Waitzkin with his same and so peculiar way not to talk english but to spurt an >>uninteligible new yorkian jargon, the same or a very similar engine, -perhaps >>stronger but that is moot to all of us-, etc. >>Then, for what? >>As John Merlino knows well because I corresponded with him about this two times >>or so during his previous incarnation as Ubisoft employee, what I would >>consider "new" is a far cry of all CM 10 offer. I do no care about stronger >>engines as much, at least in this issue, I am reasonable enough not to ask for >>more, being already absolutely surpasssed by current state of the art. What I >>have been asking -Ed Schroeder also received from me, years ago, a petition of >>the sort- is something altogether different and superuior -I believe- in terms >>of utility for players of avrage force like me, that is to say, for people >>playing between 1800 and 2100 Elo. There is nothing for this class of players >>in stock. Yes, Fritz offers some interesting features, even CM does so, but not >>to the degree neccesary. >>Or it could be I ama sking for an impossible thing. >>Anyway, CM 10 edition does not stand anymore in my purchasing list. Cm9000 is >>more tha enough, as it was cm80000, 7000, 6000, 5500 and 5000. >> >>Better to purchase more books... >> >>Fernando
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